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Librarian




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:33 am
Thank you

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amother
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Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:33 am
Pandemic Unemployment Assistance Program

Subtitle A of Title II of Division A of the CARES Act, entitled the Relief for Workers Affected by Coronavirus Act, creates a temporary Pandemic Unemployment Assistance program to provide payment to those not traditionally eligible for unemployment benefits who are unable to work as a direct result of COVID-19. The Act also provides enhanced benefits for all workers eligible for unemployment. Unlike the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA), which only applies to private employers with fewer than 500 employees, the CARES Act applies to all employers regardless of size.

The Act extends coverage to workers who are self-employed, seeking part-time employment (if permitted under state law), do not have sufficient work history, or otherwise would not qualify for regular unemployment under state or federal law and become unemployed or cannot find work due to COVID-19. This provision covers independent contractors.

Covered individuals are those who are unemployed, partially unemployed, or unable to work because:

They have tested positive for COVID-19 or are experiencing symptoms of COVID-19 and are seeking a medical diagnosis;
A member of their household has been diagnosed with COVID-19;
They are providing care for a family or household member who has been diagnosed with COVID-19;
A child or other person in the household for whom they have primary caregiving responsibility is unable to attend school or another facility that is closed as a direct result of COVID-19, and such school or facility care is required for the individual to work;
They cannot reach the place of employment, or the place of employment is closed, because of a quarantine imposed as a direct result of a COVID-19 outbreak;
They were scheduled to commence employment and do not have a job or are unable to reach the job as a direct result of a COVID-19 outbreak;
They have become the breadwinner for a household because the head of the household has died as a direct result of COVID-19; or
They had to quit their job as a direct result of COVID-19.
Covered individuals will receive benefits for weeks of unemployment, partial unemployment, or inability to work caused by COVID-19 beginning on or after January 27, 2020 and ending on or before December 31, 2020, for as long as the unemployment, partial unemployment or inability to work caused by COVID-19 continues. The weekly benefit amount is equal to the amount authorized under the state law where the covered individual was employed. For self-employed individuals, the weekly benefit is calculated under 20 C.F.R. § 625.6.

Unemployment Expansion for All Eligible Workers

The Act also enhances unemployment compensation benefits for all eligible individuals – whether eligible under the expansion in the CARES Act or under applicable state law. The enhanced benefits include an additional $600 per week (even if this takes the employee above their pre-unemployment earnings level), the elimination of waiting periods (a measure many states already have taken), and an additional 13 weeks of eligibility for benefits (39 weeks in total). It is anticipated that these benefits will be carried out through agreements between each state and the federal government.
Governmental entities and non-profit organizations can be reimbursed for half of what they pay in unemployment compensation. States will be fully reimbursed for the amount of Federal Unemployment Compensation paid out, plus related administrative costs incurred by the state. While it is likely that employees of non-profit organizations and religious organizations, which may normally be exempt from state unemployment requirements, are covered by the federal expansion of benefits under the CARES Act, it is yet to be seen how states will administer those provisions
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amother
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Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:35 am
amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:
Pandemic Unemployment Assistance Program

Subtitle A of Title II of Division A of the CARES Act, entitled the Relief for Workers Affected by Coronavirus Act, creates a temporary Pandemic Unemployment Assistance program to provide payment to those not traditionally eligible for unemployment benefits who are unable to work as a direct result of COVID-19. The Act also provides enhanced benefits for all workers eligible for unemployment. Unlike the Families First Coronavirus Response Act (FFCRA), which only applies to private employers with fewer than 500 employees, the CARES Act applies to all employers regardless of size.

The Act extends coverage to workers who are self-employed, seeking part-time employment (if permitted under state law), do not have sufficient work history, or otherwise would not qualify for regular unemployment under state or federal law and become unemployed or cannot find work due to COVID-19. This provision covers independent contractors.

Covered individuals are those who are unemployed, partially unemployed, or unable to work because:

They have tested positive for COVID-19 or are experiencing symptoms of COVID-19 and are seeking a medical diagnosis;
A member of their household has been diagnosed with COVID-19;
They are providing care for a family or household member who has been diagnosed with COVID-19;
A child or other person in the household for whom they have primary caregiving responsibility is unable to attend school or another facility that is closed as a direct result of COVID-19, and such school or facility care is required for the individual to work;
They cannot reach the place of employment, or the place of employment is closed, because of a quarantine imposed as a direct result of a COVID-19 outbreak;
They were scheduled to commence employment and do not have a job or are unable to reach the job as a direct result of a COVID-19 outbreak;
They have become the breadwinner for a household because the head of the household has died as a direct result of COVID-19; or
They had to quit their job as a direct result of COVID-19.
Covered individuals will receive benefits for weeks of unemployment, partial unemployment, or inability to work caused by COVID-19 beginning on or after January 27, 2020 and ending on or before December 31, 2020, for as long as the unemployment, partial unemployment or inability to work caused by COVID-19 continues. The weekly benefit amount is equal to the amount authorized under the state law where the covered individual was employed. For self-employed individuals, the weekly benefit is calculated under 20 C.F.R. § 625.6.

Unemployment Expansion for All Eligible Workers

The Act also enhances unemployment compensation benefits for all eligible individuals – whether eligible under the expansion in the CARES Act or under applicable state law. The enhanced benefits include an additional $600 per week (even if this takes the employee above their pre-unemployment earnings level), the elimination of waiting periods (a measure many states already have taken), and an additional 13 weeks of eligibility for benefits (39 weeks in total). It is anticipated that these benefits will be carried out through agreements between each state and the federal government.
Governmental entities and non-profit organizations can be reimbursed for half of what they pay in unemployment compensation. States will be fully reimbursed for the amount of Federal Unemployment Compensation paid out, plus related administrative costs incurred by the state. While it is likely that employees of non-profit organizations and religious organizations, which may normally be exempt from state unemployment requirements, are covered by the federal expansion of benefits under the CARES Act, it is yet to be seen how states will administer those provisions


Ok. Great. Is there a link where I can apply.
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Reality




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:39 am
I believe in the stimulus package a provision was made that self-employed people can file for unemployment. Nothing has changed yet, but in a couple of weeks it should kick in.

My husband has been paying very close attention to this because he is self-employed and basically making nothing now.

As far as playgroups are concerned, if they are legal, they could apply for loans and continue paying their workers with the loans. If they use the loans to make payroll than the loans will be forgiven.
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amother
Aquamarine


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:40 am
amother [ Pearl ] wrote:
Ok. Great. Is there a link where I can apply.



If you are in NY: https://labor.ny.gov/ui/cares-act.shtm

https://labor.ny.gov/ui/pdfs/p.....e.pdf
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amother
Pearl


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:46 am
amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:
If you are in NY: https://labor.ny.gov/ui/cares-act.shtm

https://labor.ny.gov/ui/pdfs/p.....e.pdf


Nope NJ.
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amother
Aquamarine


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:48 am
amother [ Pearl ] wrote:
Nope NJ.


apply through NJ UI portal.
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mommy3b2c




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:55 am
amother [ Silver ] wrote:
Why is this even a question for the month of April? We were all going to pay even though they had off more then two weeks for pesach....


But they also had two weeks off in March that was paid for and unplanned. I’m trying to understand why playgroup is different then any other job. There are countless people out of a job now that aren’t working and aren’t getting paid. Why is playgroup Morah a separate class? I’m really trying to understand. I just don’t get it.
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amother
Sienna


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 9:56 am
Reality wrote:
I believe in the stimulus package a provision was made that self-employed people can file for unemployment. Nothing has changed yet, but in a couple of weeks it should kick in.

My husband has been paying very close attention to this because he is self-employed and basically making nothing now.

As far as playgroups are concerned, if they are legal, they could apply for loans and continue paying their workers with the loans. If they use the loans to make payroll than the loans will be forgiven.


That's my plan. I also hope that we'll be able to be open before the 8 weeks of the loan are over so any extra money I get I can give back to any parents who paid me.
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amother
Blue


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:06 am
for those adamantly saying you should pay, what are you basing this off of? its unfortunate for the teachers that they r out of work however the parents do not need to support them, when many themselves are
struggling. this is not at all like tuition where the school may shut down for good if all parents stop paying. this is a service industry, you dont get the service you cant really work so you dont have to pay. not such a shaylah pretty basic.
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amother
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Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:06 am
mommy3b2c wrote:
But they also had two weeks off in March that was paid for and unplanned. I’m trying to understand why playgroup is different then any other job. There are countless people out of a job now that aren’t working and aren’t getting paid. Why is playgroup Morah a separate class? I’m really trying to understand. I just don’t get it.


Who declared they were?
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amother
Sienna


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:10 am
amother [ Blue ] wrote:
for those adamantly saying you should pay, what are you basing this off of? its unfortunate for the teachers that they r out of work however the parents do not need to support them, when many themselves are
struggling. this is not at all like tuition where the school may shut down for good if all parents stop paying. this is a service industry, you dont get the service you cant really work so you dont have to pay. not such a shaylah pretty basic.


Why don't you think a playgroup won't shut down if it people don't pay? I didn't expect anyone to pay and we were talking about having to move back to a small apartment and not open my playgroup after this blows over, rent for my house is astronomical.
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amother
Coffee


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:24 am
amother [ Sienna ] wrote:
Why don't you think a playgroup won't shut down if it people don't pay? I didn't expect anyone to pay and we were talking about having to move back to a small apartment and not open my playgroup after this blows over, rent for my house is astronomical.


Not trying to be rude, but why are you any different than the parents who may also have astronomical rent or mortgage that they were able to afford when they were working and getting paid? But now that they're out of work and not getting paid also are not be able to afford it anymore?
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amother
Amethyst


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:26 am
mommy3b2c wrote:
But they also had two weeks off in March that was paid for and unplanned. I’m trying to understand why playgroup is different then any other job. There are countless people out of a job now that aren’t working and aren’t getting paid. Why is playgroup Morah a separate class? I’m really trying to understand. I just don’t get it.


Because for some reason playgroup Morah’s think the money is coming to them whether they work or not.

And I called rabbi forscheimer to what his opinion and he said that they are coming out with a psak for all of Lakewood in a few days. So I guess we should all wait to see what it is.
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amother
Amethyst


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:30 am
amother [ Sienna ] wrote:
Why don't you think a playgroup won't shut down if it people don't pay? I didn't expect anyone to pay and we were talking about having to move back to a small apartment and not open my playgroup after this blows over, rent for my house is astronomical.


It cost more money to move twice. You will have to figure it out the months you aren’t opened but it’s wrong to expect payment from parents if you don’t provide the service.

Why don’t you sit on the phone for five hours every day with your students on a conference call
Just because they can’t come to your house it doesn’t mean that you can’t entertain the kids for the parents but no you are just happy that the government said that kids can’t come to your home and you are happy to get free money.

If you feel parents should pay you then the same hours that they should pay you for you should be available by phone to entertain their kids. The government didn’t say you can’t talk on the phone.
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amother
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Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:32 am
amother [ Coffee ] wrote:
Not trying to be rude, but why are you any different than the parents who may also have astronomical rent or mortgage that they were able to afford when they were working and getting paid? But now that they're out of work and not getting paid also are not be able to afford it anymore?


I read her post. where did she imply she was different?
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amother
Aquamarine


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:34 am
amother [ Amethyst ] wrote:
It cost more money to move twice. You will have to figure it out the months you aren’t opened but it’s wrong to expect payment from parents if you don’t provide the service.

Why don’t you sit on the phone for five hours every day with your students on a conference call
Just because they can’t come to your house it doesn’t mean that you can’t entertain the kids for the parents but no you are just happy that the government said that kids can’t come to your home and you are happy to get free money.

If you feel parents should pay you then the same hours that they should pay you for you should be available by phone to entertain their kids. The government didn’t say you can’t talk on the phone.


She said none of things you are ascribing to her.
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amother
Sienna


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:35 am
amother [ Coffee ] wrote:
Not trying to be rude, but why are you any different than the parents who may also have astronomical rent or mortgage that they were able to afford when they were working and getting paid? But now that they're out of work and not getting paid also are not be able to afford it anymore?



Maybe because these parents want the service to continue after this is over. Therefore they may feel inclined to help the keep us in our location and open. But honestly, I really don't know the reason why a few people chose to pay. I definitely wouldn't take money from anyone not getting paid now that's for sure. A lot of my clientele works from home in general (and also some that work for the boe) so nothing changed for them, besides their husbands are watching the 2 year old that I usually watch. Like I said earlier I do plan on paying these people back when I can anyways so I'm not sure I'm even the best person to be asking these questions to.
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mommy3b2c




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:48 am
amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:
Who declared they were?


Ummm, read this thread. And others like it.
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amother
Sienna


 

Post Mon, Mar 30 2020, 10:52 am
amother [ Amethyst ] wrote:
It cost more money to move twice. You will have to figure it out the months you aren’t opened but it’s wrong to expect payment from parents if you don’t provide the service.

Why don’t you sit on the phone for five hours every day with your students on a conference call
Just because they can’t come to your house it doesn’t mean that you can’t entertain the kids for the parents but no you are just happy that the government said that kids can’t come to your home and you are happy to get free money.

If you feel parents should pay you then the same hours that they should pay you for you should be available by phone to entertain their kids. The government didn’t say you can’t talk on the phone.


I don't know if it's your intention but you're coming across as very rude to me. I never said I think parents should pay.

(And about the moving thing it didn't cost us any money to move in and it would unlikely cost us any money to move out - I have one baby and not a lot of stuff. My husbands friends from yeshiva helped him with the big things. Though I'm not sure what I'm even justifying here...)
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