Floyd convicted of robbing and beating pregnant black woman

amother

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:15 pm

No this doesn’t mean he should have been choked. No one is saying that. What it is saying is he shouldn’t be held up as a hero or for us to mourn his death because he was a violent monster.

From Cecilia Regina on Twitter

George Floyd was arrested and convicted of robbing and beating a PREGNANT BLACK WOMAN after breaking into her home. He wanted money and drugs and when she didn’t have either, he pointed a gun at her PREGNANT STOMACH ! Attached are photos of the court record of his conviction, as well as his extensive arrest record. In the comments are full articles detailing his criminal history. STOP MARCHING FOR THIS MAN. Stop posting for him. He was a monster who terrorized BW in life. DO NOT support him with your labor in his death. If you do you’re supporting a man who hated and harmed black women! You can not have it both ways this time. Either you are for the safety of black women, or you are saying that we don’t matter compared to black men. Share, share, share.
See more on Twitter for his complete violent history record.

southernbubby

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:42 pm

Yeah but how stupid can someone be to lean on someone's neck until he stops breathing? Usually cops restrain criminals without killing them. Apparently nobody in law enforcement felt that lethal force was necessary. He said that he couldn't breathe.
I think that it was a riot waiting for a cause rather than the opposite. People are out of work, out of money, scared, and frustrated and this probably impacts low level service workers (of any race) more than professionals.

SixOfWands

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:46 pm

Dandelion1 wrote:

And clearly the life of the retired African American police officer who was shot in the head by looters and rioters is not one of them.

Do you not understand the difference between a senseless murder by a criminal (in the case you mention) and a senseless murder by an agent of the government, a police officer who is supposed to keep us safe?

Were you more upset by perceived antisemitism by Bill DiBlasio, or by Herman who lives in Fort Greene? Do you think they're the same?

SixOfWands

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:49 pm

DrMom wrote:

Some Black Lives Matter

So do you support a system in which police officers are entitled to judge who is worthy of life, and to kneel on the necks of those whom they deem unworthy for nearly 9 minutes?

And what makes you think that the officer who murdered Floyd, and those who stood by and watched, were aware of his criminal record?

Blessing1

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:51 pm

The rioting has nothing to do with the murder, they're just using it as an excuse. I had a strong feeling that the lockdown will end in riots, at least in NY. Now they at least have an excuse.
Many many black people, including Floyds family and friends, are begging for the riots to stop. Same goes for all store owners.

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amother

Rose

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:51 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

They knew each other personally. It wasn’t 2 strangers.
Which may actually help the 2nd degree murder charge.
But it’s a huge risk. He is likely to get off scot free on second degree but found guilty on third degree

Hillery

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:58 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

I think this is quite irrelevant. As a society we've allowed for punishment followed by rehabilitation. If Floyd had served his time, he should have been allowed a fresh start with a clean slate.

Dandelion1

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:58 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

Google tells me that there are 800,000 police officers employed in the United States. So no, not surprising to me that you're gonna have some criminal ones. Just like you find some clergy who are pedophiles, and some parents who are abusive, and some doctors guilty of malpractice. In a huge system, made up of human beings, absolute perfection is unachievable.

The point is, it is illegal, and they are subject to consequences like all criminals.

Comparing 800,000 public servants to one high ranking elected official is not a great analogy.

Ema of 5

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 3:59 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

Someone brought this up in a local chat, and I’ve really been thinking about it. Here are a few thoughts.
1. The conviction, and time served, was a while ago.
2. Had he been in trouble with the law since his release?
3. Don’t we, as Jews, believe that there is always a chance to do yeshiva and amend our ways? Do we not hold that belief for the rest of humanity as well?
4. He is no hero, but he was also not a vile, miserable excuse for a human being. He did not deserve to die, especially in this way.

SixOfWands

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 4:01 pm

amother [ Rose ] wrote:

Source?

They worked at the same nightclub, but in different areas, and AFAIK there's no evidence they knew each other. Chauvin, when he was off-duty, was paid to sit in his squad car outside El Nuevo Rodeo for 17 years. Floyd worked inside the club as a security guard in the last year.

Dandelion1

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 4:01 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

Absolutely not. But I would support a system that immediately terminated the employment, and arrested and then charged with murder.... Oh, wait....

[Edited because apparently it was not clear that I was saying that Chauvin committed a brutal murder, and is indeed being charged with murder, AS HE SHOULD BE.]

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amother

Peach

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 4:03 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

So do you support a system in which police officers are entitled to judge who is worthy of life, and to kneel on the necks of those whom they deem unworthy for nearly 9 minutes?

Is the present system of bands of rioters running free at all hours, killing looting assaulting destroying robbing, encouraged by the mayor and governor, better?

Apparently in nyc it's either or.

ExtraCredit

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 4:03 pm

Hillery wrote:

I think this is quite irrelevant. As a society we've allowed for punishment followed by rehabilitation. If Floyd had served his time, he should have been allowed a fresh start with a clean slate.

I missed you Hillery. And was actually wondering where you are the past week. Hope all is well by you. Happy to see you back!

SixOfWands

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 4:08 pm

Dandelion1 wrote:

Absolutely not. But I would support a system that immediately terminated the employment, and arrested and then charged with murder.... Oh, wait....

So, should Chauvin not have been charged with murder, in light of the video showing that he took a handcuffed man out of a police car, threw him to the ground, and kneeled on his neck for nearly 9 minutes, while Floyd and others begged him to stop? Charged, mind you. Not convicted.

Given the clear violation of police policy by Chauvin, should he not have been fired?

What do YOU think should have happened? What further investigation, beyond video actually showing the incident, do you think was needed before charging Chauvin?

Would you have felt the same way if he had been kneeling on your brother's neck while your brother begged him to get up?

behappy2

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 4:10 pm

What boggles my mind is there are communities with lots of violence. Think chicago-gangs, drugs etc...and the police are hired to keep the African Americans in these communities SAFE. Imagine the chaos if they had NO POLICE. I would never want to work in the police force in communities that are excuse my language racist against the police. Maybe this isn't PC right now but I take my hat off to all of our police force and military that are putting themselves in harm's way to protect the citizens of America.

SixOfWands

Wed, Jun 03 2020, 4:10 pm

amother [ Peach ] wrote:

Is the present system of bands of rioters running free at all hours, killing looting assaulting destroying robbing, encouraged by the mayor and governor, better?

Apparently in nyc it's either or.

So you're saying that if criminals do something, then its OK for police to do it as well.

As to being encouraged by DiBlasio and Cuomo, that's such a blatant and disgusting lie that its no wonder that you're hiding your identity.