Black Lives Matter article in Baltimore Jewish Life

Amarante

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 6:37 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Black Lives Matter Leader said they were a MARXIST Organization whose goal is to
destroy USA and replace it with Socialist Tyranny.

Could you please provide a link to a source in which this statement was made by the leader?

While I realize it is like cleaning out the Augean Stables, occasionally I do want to make an attempt to provide some measure of fact based discussion.

PinkFridge

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 6:46 am

Cheiny wrote:

You have to give respect to get it. When they start respecting police, and the rule of law, when they start taking responsibility for some of their own problems and working to fix them, ie. having numerous children out of wedlock, absent fathers, skipping out on education, involvement in crime, not working and expecting the govt. to support you, etc., then they and this “cause” will be more respected.

I agree.
Rabbi YY Jacobson has spoken about this recently. About 2 or 3 weeks ago he gave a 20 minute talk that I heard on TorahAnytime that said it very well, focusing on transcending victimhood.

amother

cornflower

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 10:34 am

Cheiny wrote:

This ten times over! I can’t like it enough!!! When police cars get burnt, stores get looted and destroyed, crime and shootings daily, fire works not stopping, robbing old women... will be called out then respect may start to increase. Where are their parents? Why aren’t they stopping? When they start respecting themselves then can they be taken seriously.

ora_43

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 10:37 am

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

So your plan is for society to show them no respect until they stop feeling alienated from society?

amother

Salmon

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 10:37 am

Amarante wrote:

Blm ny head leader said if they don’t get what they want they burn down the system

Cheiny

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 10:38 am

princessleah wrote:

For those of you who believe the biggest problem is children born out of wedlock, could you please explain, how if men and women in these communities got married and then had children, how that would make the public schools better, increase graduation rates, increase employment, and decrease incarceration rates?

Thanks!

Start reading. There are many studies about how children growing up without fathers are much more prone to failing, dropping out of school, involvement in crime, drugs, etc.

shoshanim999

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 11:00 am

ora_43 wrote:

So your plan is for society to show them no respect until they stop feeling alienated from society?

We're going in circles here. They feel alienated because society (including you and I) look down on them because of what we know about them as a group. Do you trust black people the same as everyone else? I don't think you do.

Fox

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 11:03 am

Amarante wrote:

I find it unbelievable that anyone could have missed this given its wide circulation. The interview is from 2015:

#BestBubby

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 11:09 am

princessleah wrote:

It is a fact that males who grow up without fathers are waaaaaaaay more likely to commit crimes. And girls born out of wedlock are waaaaaaay more like to have children out of wedlock so the black crime rate increases.

A two parent home has more income. A working law-abiding father teaches his son to do the same.

Before Welfare the black crime rate was only slightly higher than the white crime rate - and the vast majority of black children were born to married parents.

ora_43

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 11:10 am

shoshanim999 wrote:

You literally can't imagine the existence of a white person who isn't racist? Ok then.

I hope it was clear that I was talking about black rioters, specifically, not black people 'as a group'. It would be absurd to look down on, say, a black nurse in Texas, because you saw a black high school student in Brooklyn setting off fireworks.

Regarding rioters, the fact that it goes in circles is exactly the point. That's what's known as a vicious cycle. And yes, in theory the cycle could be broken on either end; by society deciding to fight urban poverty, or by poor people in urban areas changing their behavior en masse. If you want to hold your breath until everyone living in poor, high-crime urban areas spontaneously decides to live a fiscally responsible middle-class life, go for it. Me, I prefer policies that actually work.

amother

Goldenrod

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 11:15 am

Quote:

Monmouth University historian Walter Greason said he thinks this was a matter of kids “struggling with how to articulate their position accurately,” warned that the co-opting of such chants can “trivialize the larger moment” in the United States.

Thought this was interesting observation

Quote:

Haredi families may not have television sets, or even radios, but someone’s been paying attention to what’s going on in the world. The children shouted “No camp, no peace!” As the Lakewood police accompanied the protest, there were cries of “Hands up! Don’t shoot.”

Signs at Brooklyn demonstrations said “Our Education Matters,” “Kid Lives Matter,” and “No Camps, No Justice.”
Somehow, these orthodox youngsters, whose parents strive mightily to shield from the impure and immoral influence of the larger world, who never go to the movies…somehow, in Lakewood on Tuesday, these kids were taking a page from the Black Lives Matter playbook.

“Unwitting assimilation,” UCLA history professor David Myers, a scholar of the Haredi community, calls it. “While there was likely no conscious effort to model the protest after those supporting Black Lives Matter, there was obviously communal awareness of what was going on, and that it was proving effective.”

shoshanim999

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 11:21 am

ora_43 wrote:

It's not racist to know the data and recognize that certain groups are more dangerous than others. You might not want to acknowledge it or even realize it, but you feel the same way.

Suppose you own a jewelry store on a main avenue. You were told that 1000 religious jews would be marching down the avenue past your store chanting and raising awareness regarding chillul shabbos in an attempt to get some store owners to close on shabbos. Would it cross your mind that you better barricade your store or perhaps take some of your expensive items home in case some jews throw a brick thru your store front and rob you? Honestly, how much consideration would you give this idea?

What if we change the story and said that 1000 blacks would be marching past your store to raise awareness about police brutality. You have no idea who these people are. Would you consider taking precautions in anticipation that you might get robbed?

Would you give the EXACT same consideration to barricading your store in both these scenarios?

shoshanim999

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 11:29 am

princessleah wrote:

You can google the statistics regarding fatherless homes. It can't be understated. I've heard many black conservatives say that nothing that blacks are supposedly fighting for can overcome the extraordinary percentages of fatherless homes in the black community. Former president Obama said that such children are at least 5x more likely to drop out of school, poor, and end up in jail.

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amother

Smokey

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 12:19 pm

Robert Johnson the first US black billionaire owner of BET was on the radio this morning and he said this same argument about intact families giving benefit to the whole family especially the children.

That said he was also talking about giving reparations of $360,000 to each black person in the US because of past slavery and compared it to Holocaust reparations (!). He said to raise the money by charging white people like $11,000 per person or family unclear...

He comes across as a likable intelligent person but this left me :O

no clue as to how this could even be traced....who was a slave owner....who was a slave...but he said it was for the good of all in the name of forgiveness...

amazing what has gained traction these days

would be quite a precedent ...reparations to every group and more whenever deemed "necessary"....cannot even imagine

Suddenly Mount Rushmore is deemed racist and anti native american...funny how none of this was ever addressed during previous administrations and Obamas two terms.

southernbubby

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 12:21 pm

princessleah wrote:

Most people get married as independent adults who are committed to the relationship and to raising the children together. Usually adults are in a position to advocate for their children.

shoshanim999

Wed, Jul 01 2020, 12:25 pm

amother [ Smokey ] wrote:

Ultimately any system of reparations will involve people who weren't responsible for slavery paying people who weren't enslaved. Only in these times does this make sense.