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amother
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 Thu, Jul 30 2020, 4:25 pm
I had heard of the first 2 events as happening on Tisha B’av, but not the third. I knew Poland was invaded around Rosh Hashana time. And that the start of WWI was also the precursor to WWII.
Interestingly, I’d always heard the expulsion was on August 2.
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dankbar
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Thu, Jul 30 2020, 4:28 pm
9-11 in reverse.
Tisha b'av is the ninth day of the 11th month in the year
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imasoftov
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Thu, Jul 30 2020, 5:16 pm
| Ema of 4 wrote: | | What does that mean “it’s brought down”? Where is it brought down? |
I'm still trying to figure out which is more authoritative, "it's brought down" or "it's in all the seforim"
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imasoftov
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Thu, Jul 30 2020, 5:22 pm
| dankbar wrote: | 9-11 in reverse.
Tisha b'av is the ninth day of the 11th month in the year |
Nissan is the first month according to Shmot 12:2, which would make Av the fifth.
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simcha2
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Thu, Jul 30 2020, 6:08 pm
| #Happymom wrote: | | Wasnt the chet haeigel on 9 av? And meraglim, and 1st and 2nd beit hamikdash were destroyed, and there is 1 other reason.. (remember learning in skl that there were 5 things happened on 9 av) |
The Chet haeigel was 17 Tammuz (40 days from Shavuot)
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Thisisnotmyreal
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Thu, Jul 30 2020, 6:20 pm
| imasoftov wrote: | | Nissan is the first month according to Shmot 12:2, which would make Av the fifth. |
It can go both ways but it's still pretty weak.
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crust
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Thu, Jul 30 2020, 6:32 pm
There is a shita that the first chorban was on ז' אב
The Chasam Sofer used to sit on a low chair and he gave a tisha bav like drasha on that day.
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amother
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Fri, Jul 31 2020, 2:42 am
| Quote: | | These expulsions occurred before the Gregorian calendar reform, which altered the way the secular calendar works, and converters don't take this into account, which causes the discrepancy. |
From http://www.jewfaq.org/holidayd.htm
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newme
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Fri, Jul 31 2020, 6:14 am
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Re the Spanish expulsion - the edict gave 9th Av as the deadline. Jews began leaving a few days earlier, but the last Jew had to have left Spain (I,e, Spain was to be Judenrain...) by the 9th Av
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