"Look before you leap" pdf file w Rabbonim warning about Va

imanotmommy

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 11:52 am

It's important not to confuse "rav" with "Navi". Especially when it's second- or third- (etc) hand info. If you ask a rav a question, the answer is only as good as the info you provide. (yes, there are exceptions where a great rav knew the question before it was asked. Doesn't mean you should assume a rav is a Navi). So, yes, if a rav would say it's assur to get the vaccine, and you know they are aware of your medical condition and the general medical info they get from doctors, you would listen. But otherwise, there are too many "ifs" and it doesn't mean you don't have emunas chachamim if you doubt that you should follow what the booklet or website says a rav said.

shabbatiscoming

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 11:54 am

Lovable wrote:

Yes! Many many rabbis work closely with medical advisors, and combined with their torah knowledge, their advice is priceless.

And you know that all of the rabbis listed on this notice have such knowledge?

amother

Papaya

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 12:06 pm

I’m confused

The letter from rabbi hopfer says to take the vaccine

From rabbi Shmuel kamenetsky:
“ I am writing to inform that I have never given an halachic decision concerning the new vaccine for the corona virus. I am not saying anything general, not to take it or to take it. Rather each person should consult his doctor and should do what is necessary for himself.”

It doesn’t sound against.

amother

Papaya

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 12:10 pm

Lakewood nj rabbis - I called rabbi Forchheimer. The signs are not true. He never gave a public stammer or gave a psak. He advises ppl to speak to the dr. Doesn’t push shot but isn’t saying it’s dangerous.
I felt I got the go ahead to take it.

amother

Chocolate

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 2:06 pm

I don't know the first thing about this specific letter, but I do know many rabannim were against the covid vaccine and for good reason.
You say we should listen to the doctors because they know better? The doctors are PAID and BRIBED to get us to take the vaccine. Anyone who denies this has no clue what is really going on.
Rabbanim warning us not to vaccinate are looking out for our good, while many doctors are looking out for their wallet.

LovesHashem

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 2:17 pm

Lovable wrote:

Those of us with Emunas Chachomim believe that our Rabbis know better than those with just modern day science knowledge, because they have a vast knowledge of Torah combined with knowledge modern day science

So would you trust your Rabbi to be in charge of a surgery on you?
Create the architect plans for your home?
Would you trust with your Emunas Chochamim for your Rav to decide if a plane is broken or not, and safe for people to go on it?

Rabbanim didn't go to medical school.

shabbatiscoming

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 2:20 pm

amother [ Chocolate ] wrote:

The coolaid must be very tasty over in your corner.

southernbubby

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 2:55 pm

Most rabbonim will allow even the most questionable treatment if two separate doctors agree that it is necessary. Sometimes the answer may be to seek a third opinion or another type of specialist. Even to rabbonim that signed something, the vaccine may be allowed for some people.

Ema of 5

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 3:05 pm

amother [ Denim ] wrote:

Threads like this make me want to go OTD. Seriously, what a way to abuse power!

The way they list the Rabbanim: Lakewood Rabbis, Grandson of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef... I don't believe a word of the whole thing if this is how they quote. All I see is there are people willing to abuse their power in the name of torah. Punch

The wording is seriously extreme. No normal person makes statements like 'the vaccine is suicide' 'it causes infertility.' Balanced, normal people use wording more like 'there are risks of..'

So I clicked on the link because how you wrote it doesn’t make sense. The list is actually a table of contents, so not each person is specifically named. If you scroll down, you see there is a poster from the Lakewood rabbis. I’m sure when it gets to “the grandson of R’ Ovadia Yosef, his name will be clear, as well as anyone whose name isn’t on the list clearly.

amother

Chocolate

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 3:34 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

The coolaid must be very tasty over in your corner.

I hate sounding tacky on here, but I have firsthand information of what's going on behind the scenes.

Say what you want, I feel bad to see so many naïve people following blindly.

amother

Salmon

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 3:37 pm

A few posters commented that doctors know modern day science so they know more than these rabbis.
What do u mean by modern day science?
Do u mean they know the short term effects?
Long term effects?
Effects on fertility?
Whether it's more harmful than good?
Cause FDA doesn't know that yet
And neither does anyone else.
Countries that are now encouraging 12- 15 year olds to take it- do you think it's based on "modern day science" ? No!
Zero research shows this age group is at risk for covid and would benefit from this vaxxine.
Please open your eyes.

shabbatiscoming

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 3:41 pm

amother [ Chocolate ] wrote:

I hate sounding tacky on here, but I have firsthand information of what's going on behind the scenes.

Say what you want, I feel bad to see so many naïve people following blindly.

Im sorry but a vague statement like that, why should anyone believe you? Scratching Head

amother

Oak

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 3:43 pm

amother [ Chocolate ] wrote:

I’m truly feel sad for you that you live in such a paranoid state

amother

Sienna

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 3:57 pm

amother [ Chocolate ] wrote:

How does my GP benefit if I go get the Covid vaccine in an urgent care?

southernbubby

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 4:01 pm

amother [ Sienna ] wrote:

How does my GP benefit if I go get the Covid vaccine in an urgent care?

True, mine came from Walmart pharmacy

shabbatiscoming

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 4:08 pm

amother [ Chocolate ] wrote:

One other thing, at least in israel, no doctors are giving out the vaccines. They are given by nurses, EMTs, people like that. And we do not pay a agura for the vaccine. So what are you talking about at all???? Or only where you live?

amother

Blue

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 4:11 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

Has anyone seen the "Look before you leap" pdf file w many well known Rabbonim warning about the dangers of the Covid Vaccine?

It links to this to access the same information:

https://www.rodefshalom613.org.....cine/

Is this legitimate?

Why get pulled in every time you see a notice from rabbis? Even if they are legitimate rabbis that you've heard of, do you seesaw back and forth on everything? Do you have a hard time making decisions in general? Why kill yourself with anxiety? Align yourself with a doctor you trust. Aseh l'cha rav with someone you look up top. Zeh hu. Don't torture yourself. It's not healthy. Nobody does this.

Lovable

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 4:15 pm

LovesHashem wrote:

Why are you being so silly? Would you trust your cleaning lady to give you the vaccine & jab your arm? Duh no
Do I need to write it out - I ask my Rabbi for advice & use a doctor to follow through
Lets try to stay within our age brackets when having an adult conversation

shabbatiscoming

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 4:19 pm

Lovable wrote:

LoveHashem was completely within the realms of having an adult conversation. She was trying to say, I believe, why would you ask a religious leader about a medical question? There is literally no connection. And NO, not all rabbanim know modern science.

Lovable

Wed, Jun 02 2021, 4:22 pm

shabbatiscoming wrote:

No need to defend her. She is capable of doing so on her own if she chooses. And no, asking if my rabbi would be the one to actually administer medical care is not in the realm of adult conversation