נוח vs נח | Imamother

Genius

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 11:18 am

Bnei Berak 10 wrote:

I didn't know about Rina and it an in israel since 1993 LOL

Isn't Blima the yiddishe pronounciation of Bluma?

People who pronounce a vuv ee would call Bluma, Blima. Then there are people who spell the name בלימה and claim that it's a different name.

amother

Marigold

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 11:24 am

Aylat wrote:

100%
Good for you for asking and following up with questions to gain understanding. לא הביישן לומד. I'm surprised at the tone of some of the responses. I, and I'm sure many others, are also learning from your questions.

Btw a follow-up question I have - does misspelling really make the כתובה problematic? I remember learning the importance of spelling names and place-names correctly in the context of a גט (ch"v) not כתובה. Can anyone bring sources?

Misspelling is a problem on a kesuba and most rabbis who will be mesader kiddushin are particular about it. On a gett it's even more crucial. It's in a way an even more far-reaching type of halachic contract and the possibility that a misspelled name will invalidate it is taken very seriously.

As far as op asking about Noach with a vav, there's no serious halachic contract in the spelling on a child's yarmulka or the artwork they bring home from morah, but if I gave a child a Biblical name I'd definitely want it spelled correctly. I would want to teach the child to know where their name is from, to be proud of it, and to spell it correctly. I wouldn't spell Sarah with a samech or Michal with a chet even though it's my God given right as a mother to name the child whatever I want.

Elfrida

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 11:27 am

amother Scarlet wrote:

What about Yiddish names?
I know 2 Raizels who were told to spell their name with one yud and not 2. If it’s a made up name why does that matter? Who decides?

To op, I never knew what a big deal this was. Happy you asked

I think that the issue there might be that two yuds is Shem Hashem, which we try to avoid writing in casual contexts.

amother

Banana

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 11:34 am

This is all interesting.

My daughter’s name is Tzipora. We spell it צפורה, just like it’s spelled in the chumash. But sometimes people (especially Israelis) spell it ציפורה.

Shouldn’t the same thing apply here?

Genius

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 11:40 am

amother Banana wrote:

I'd imagine that it does. Why would Israelis add a י? I'd assume they'd take off vowels, not add on.

amother

Banana

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 12:02 pm

Genius wrote:

I'd imagine that it does. Why would Israelis add a י? I'd assume they'd take off vowels, not add on.

I think Israelis frequently add yuds like that to make it clear it’s a chirik sound, when they’re writing without nekudos.

amother

NeonBlue

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 2:45 pm

amother Marigold wrote:

As far as op asking about Noach with a vav, there's no serious halachic contract in the spelling on a child's yarmulka or the artwork they bring home from morah, but if I gave a child a Biblical name I'd definitely want it spelled correctly. I would want to teach the child to know where their name is from, to be proud of it, and to spell it correctly. I wouldn't spell Sarah with a samech or Michal with a chet even though it's my God given right as a mother to name the child whatever I want.

Okay, this is a funny one!!!

I know someone who named their daughter Basya. Call her Bassi.
They live in EY and didn't want her to be called batya or bati.
so they LEGALLY spelled her name Bais SAMECH YUD!!!

amother

Vanilla

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 3:03 pm

amother Scarlet wrote:

There is a section in Shulchan Aruch that lists names and their correct spellings. I think it's in Yoreh deah, but not sure. My husband once showed it to me. I can ask him where it is if u want.
That's why many won't make up a name, and why Rav Chaim was against it.
(There was a famous example recently, with the little baby Eliana Cohen from Florida, who was born with a rare medical condition. It was all over the news because they raised 2 million in a few days. Upon the advice of Rav Chaim, they changed the baby's name to Chana.)
There are also certain rules about letters used if it's a Hebrew name vs a Yiddish name. I think a Hebrew name gets a hey at the end and a Yiddish name gets an aleph.

Amelia Bedelia

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 3:09 pm

Genius wrote:

People who pronounce a vuv ee would call Bluma, Blima. Then there are people who spell the name בלימה and claim that it's a different name.

I believe Bluma/Blima is spelled בלומא/בלימא.

I know someone who has a son Dovid, called Duvi, who spelled his name on his yarmulke דובי. It irked me every time I saw it, because it technically read as an entirely different name, Dov. Dovid doesn't have a beis.

goodmorning

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 3:44 pm

amother Banana wrote:

Actually, it's spelled צִפֹּרָ֥ה in the Chumash (chaser, without the vav).

(That said, this is an example of the time where the "correct" spelling is not necessarily the same as the Tanach spelling of the name. IIRC the Beis Shmuel discusses the spelling of the name Tzipora and says to spell with malei so that it should be not confused with the name Tzifra.)

goodmorning

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 3:46 pm

Genius wrote:

People who pronounce a vuv ee would call Bluma, Blima. Then there are people who spell the name בלימה and claim that it's a different name.

I don't know about בלימה with a hey (never heard of that as a name) but בלומא and בלימא are halachically spelled differently depending on pronunciation -- meaning that one would not want to write a kesubah or get that says בלומא for a woman who pronounces her name Blima and vice versa.

Genius

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 3:48 pm

Amelia Bedelia wrote:

No. Bluma and Blima are both בלומא. Many chassidim pronounce it ee instead of u. בלימא is incorrect according to everyone. בלימה is the name of my relative. In my opinion it's weird, but we don't judge...

goodmorning

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 4:12 pm

Genius wrote:

Not according to the (Litvish) dayan and mesader gittin who told me that there's a halachic difference in names between Bluma and Blima and that one has to be careful to spell the name with a vav or yud accordingly.

amother

Gardenia

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 4:16 pm

goodmorning wrote:

The Litvish Dayan is likely not aware that the name is spelled like Bluma but pronounced like Blima. A chassidish person would also likely not take a Litvish Rav’s advice on name spellings.

goodmorning

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 4:42 pm

amother Gardenia wrote:

The Litvish Dayan is likely not aware that the name is spelled like Bluma but pronounced like Blima. A chassidish person would also likely not take a Litvish Rav’s advice on name spellings.

The Litvish dayan was responding to the claim that someone made that the name (for someone who pronounces it as Blima) should be spelled with a vav. He rejected that premise.

But <shrug>. Obviously ask your own rav how to spell names that are relevant to you, and one should obviously not take action based on the word of anonymous people on the Internet.

amother

Banana

Sun, Oct 30 2022, 8:41 pm

goodmorning wrote:

Yes, like I said, we spell it צפורה. We specifically looked it up in the chumash.