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Who will be our next President?
McCain  
 61%  [ 38 ]
Obama  
 38%  [ 24 ]
Total Votes : 62



Mevater




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 9:13 am
Make a prediction.
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Lady Godiva




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 11:20 am
I really have no clue. I hope the one I vote for wins and I have a feeling he might but maybe that's just optimism?

Last edited by Lady Godiva on Fri, Aug 29 2008, 12:56 pm; edited 2 times in total
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baschabad




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 12:16 pm
I think Obama is ahead. They have a really unified party and a lot of potential. McCain just picked Sarah Palin as his VP- a woman- (to try and pick up the Hillary supporters who are on the wayside) who has little experience, (so much for "America needs experience!") It seems like he thinks he's losing, so he's really going for his last straws.

Just my opinion!
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Maya




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 12:58 pm
baschabad wrote:
who has little experience, (so much for "America needs experience!")
I fail to see the comparison between an inexperienced president and an inexperienced vice president. It's not like she'll be running the country, while Obama very well may.
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Clarissa




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 1:00 pm
baschabad wrote:
I think Obama is ahead. They have a really unified party and a lot of potential. McCain just picked Sarah Palin as his VP- a woman- (to try and pick up the Hillary supporters who are on the wayside) who has little experience, (so much for "America needs experience!") It seems like he thinks he's losing, so he's really going for his last straws.

Just my opinion!
I agree. And he's an old guy who's had cancer. If he dies, she'll be president?
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Maya




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 1:10 pm
Clarissa wrote:
baschabad wrote:
I think Obama is ahead. They have a really unified party and a lot of potential. McCain just picked Sarah Palin as his VP- a woman- (to try and pick up the Hillary supporters who are on the wayside) who has little experience, (so much for "America needs experience!") It seems like he thinks he's losing, so he's really going for his last straws.

Just my opinion!
I agree. And he's an old guy who's had cancer. If he dies, she'll be president?

Obama is not any more experienced than she is, and he has a chance of being president in the first place.
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waterbottle




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 1:11 pm
Palin has more experience then Obama. She actually implemented policies in Alaska and cleaned up mass corruption. Obama is a first term senator and hasn't done much...
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Aribenj




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 2:50 pm
Obama has served 167 DAYS in public office.

'Nuff said.
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chavamom




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 3:06 pm
Aribenj wrote:
Obama has served 167 DAYS in public office.

'Nuff said.


How does almost 4 years as US Senator add up to 167 days? And that doesn't include the 4 years he served as IL state senator. I'm scratching my head on the math here, so I think it is far from "enough said".
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flowerpower




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 5:50 pm
I hate Obama so I'm really hoping the old guy wins! Please!
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baschabad




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 6:09 pm
I stand with my liberal leanings. Obama has all the experience as a working class American citizen that he needs to do the job! He connects with the people and their lifestyles. Bottom line, "Hakol b'ydei shamayim" and Hashem guides the president anyway, whether it be McCain or Obama, but I prefer Obama!

Come on guys, who'd you rather have a good ol' friendly American neighbor? I'd be happy if my husband and Barack went fishing together, I'd be happy borrowing an egg and having a friendly chat with Michelle, and I'd let my kids have a playdate with their girls anyday!!! I'll be visiting McCain on his deathbed before borrowing an egg from one of his mansions... 8)
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flowerpower




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 6:11 pm
I think experience matters! He had no idea how to handle the Georgia-Russia war let alone our ongoing war in iraq.
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gryp




 
 
    
 

Post Fri, Aug 29 2008, 6:54 pm
I'm disappointed in McCain's VP pick. I think that was his last chance to possibly win. I'll be looking forward to the post-Obama era.
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miriamnechama




 
 
    
 

Post Sat, Aug 30 2008, 4:04 pm
obama
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ShakleeMom




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 31 2008, 12:10 am
I just read this: the vote will go to the one who can get more pity votes, as this election was based on who can arouse the most empathy. Apparently, McCain was put on the bottom of the lost since 5 years of imprisonment doesn’t come close to Hilary having to stand by her man, or Bidan losing his family, or Obama suffering as a child of wedlock, raced in biracial disadvantaged home… can you tell this was a Democratic paper. Ugggggggggggggggg Finally, now with McCain’s sick and awe choice for veep, he will succeed. Go McCain!
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Akeres Habayis




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 31 2008, 3:38 am
Rolling Laughter Bounce
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Akeres Habayis




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 31 2008, 3:39 am
already posted in the controversial topics
but here it goes again Mr. Green
I'm trying not to laugh but
this is the president if mccain wins and G-d forbid something happens to him...he is the oldest person EVER to run for president.
saw this on huffingpost.com

There was a TV ad for deodorant that said, "Never let them see you sweat." The John McCain campaign has just showed the world that it is drenched.

Selecting Sarah Palin as its choice for a vice presidential candidate is perhaps the worst such choice in American History. To be fair, maybe there are worse choices, but I don't know how bad William O. Butler was when he ran with Lewis Cass against Zachary Taylor.

But it's far worse than Dan Quayle, who was a sitting senator. Worse even than Geraldine Ferraro, who at least served in Congress for three-terms. And far worse than William Miller, a choice so obscure when selected by Barry Goldwater that he (honestly) later did an American Express commercial asking, "Do you know me?" And that ad was after the election. But even Miller had been a Congressman for 12 years. And been a prosecutor during the Nuremberg War trials against Nazis. Sarah Palin lists her credits as a hockey mom.

There was a point during the Republican primaries when I was trying to figure out who I hoped got the presidential nomination. Someone so weak he'd be easy for the Democrats to beat, or someone more challenging who at least wouldn't be a disaster for America. I decided on the latter because America has to resolve its serious problems and can't afford risking some glitch where another George Bush got elected. And so I felt that John McCain, for all his weaknesses, was the lesser of all evils and was glad he got the nomination. Throw that out the window. McCain-Palin is an unthinkable disaster.

I completely understand the reasoning behind the decision for John McCain to select Sarah Palin. Absolutely. It's the thinking that settled on Sarah Palin that's missing.

No doubt John McCain will get some women to vote for him who wouldn't have otherwise, and even some independents. But he will also probably lose as many Republicans uncomfortable with a woman on the ticket - let alone a woman with so little experience as Sarah Palin. Not to mention that the choice will cause many undecided Democratic women to be aghast and push them back to following their Democratic beliefs. And further, it will lose all the independents who look at the GOP ticket and say "This is who I'm supposed to give my vote for the next four years to lead and protect America??" It may even appeal to right-wing evangelicals for her strong pro-life stance and get some to vote - but that position and others related to it are specifically what loses even more women voters. And men. Ultimately, the nomination will lose far, far more votes than it gains.

But this is not the reason the decision is so terrible.
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It's always said that the most important decision a presidential candidate makes is their pick for vice president. It shows their thinking and judgment. John McCain, in his first decision, has just told the world that he believes Sarah Palin is the most qualified person to be a heartbeat from the presidency. Forgetting all the available men for a moment, if John McCain felt it critical to select a woman in an effort to somehow grab the Hillary Clinton supporters, look at his choice of women he had available: Christine Todd Whitman, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Elizabeth Dole, Susan Collins, even - for goodness sake - Condoleezza Rice. Or Carly Fiorina. Each of these have marks against them, and perhaps some might not have wanted to run, but it's near-impossible to look at the list and suggest to the American public that Sarah Palin is the best choice of Republican women to be vice president. And again, this is ignoring the men he who could have been chosen.

It's not that Sarah Palin is inexperienced. It's that this is gross political misconduct.

Sarah Palin has been governor of Alaska for just a bit over 18 months. Alaska has a population of 683,000. (Though that doesn't include moose.) This would only make it the 17th most populous city in the United States. Just ahead of Fort Worth.

Before that, she was mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. Population 9,000. I know Republicans like to promote "small town values," but this is taking things to ridiculous extremes, don't you think? I'm from Glencoe, Illinois, population 8,762. It's so small it doesn't even have a mayor, it has an appointed village manager. I'm sure that Paul Harlow is doing wonderfully at his job in the village - but I don't expect that he sees himself as even wanting to be a heartbeat from the U.S. President in 18 months. You know what the top news story is on the Glencoe website? "Fire Hydrant Painting Underway." (To be fair, it's the #2 story. The top news is a clarification about displaying political signage.)

Do you know what the first two "powers and duties" are for the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska? Check their municipal code:

1. Preside at council meetings. The mayor may take part in the discussion of matters before the council, but may not vote, except that the mayor may vote in the case of a tie;


2. Act as ceremonial head of the city;

Swell.

If you live in small town America (and I mean really, really small), look around you and be honest - do you see your mayor (or village manager) as a heartbeat from the presidency in 18 months?

But that's not the reason either that the decision to make Sarah Palin the VP nominee is so terrible.

It's one thing to discuss how unqualified Sarah Palin is. That's a national matter and huge. But on a grassroots political level, her nomination takes away the Republicans' ONLY weapon in the campaign - calling Barack Obama inexperienced. They haven't even been trying to run on the issues, or on the eight-year record of George Bush, which John McCain has supported almost 95% of the time. They've only been running on the faux-issue of Barack Obama's experience of 14 years in federal and state government. Yes, Sarah Palin is merely running for VP, not president, but with a 72 year-old candidate with a history of serious medical issues, this is who they're saying is able to step in as president in a heart-beat. She has so little experience that she makes Sen. Obama look like FDR, Winston Churchill and Julius Caesar combined. So, the Republicans pulled the rug out from under themselves. They have no issues. The economy? Housing? The national debt? Education? The Environment? Iraq? Afghanistan? Nothing. All they have is "Dear Democratic women: please pretend our VP candidate is Hillary Clinton. Just forget that she's pro-life. And against most things Democrats stand for."

But that's not the reason the decision is so terrible.

Because if the hope for John McCain is to get women to vote for him who otherwise supported Hillary Clinton - if anything could get Hillary Clinton campaigning in full force and fury...this is it. She likely would have campaigned hard, but it's in Hillary Clinton's best interest to be the leading voice for women, and the leading woman candidate for president in the future, so having another woman as the potential Vice President (and potential President) is a significant challenge to that. The Republicans just opened Pandora's Box and brought Hillary Clinton roaring to Barack Obama's side on the Democratic train. And Bill Clinton, too.

Yet even that's not the reason the decision is so terrible.

What this does in the most profound and grandiose way possible is give lie to John McCain's pompous posturing that he Always Puts America First. And that undercuts the most prominent campaign issue of his entire career, that everything he does is for reasons of honor. There is nothing honorable about making Sarah Palin your vice presidential nominee. Nothing. Unless you define honor as "blatantly pandering."

But that's not the reason either that this decision is so terrible.

But before we get to that, let's look at the actual announcement to make Gov. Sarah Palin (AK - pop. 683,000) the Republican nominee for president, and put the horrible decision in perspective.

First, John McCain stood at the podium, looking up-and-down reading his speech. It's impossible not to compare that to Barack Obama giving his majestic speech the night before that even conservative analysts were admiring in awe.

Second, the cameras were polite enough to avoid it, but there were empty seats in the gym. It's impossible not to compare that to a stadium of 75,000 people that Barack Obama spoke to the night before.

Third, when people around the nation were waiting to hear about Sarah Palin's qualifications and gravitas to be Vice President of the United States, the first five minutes of her speech were spent talking about her husband being a champion snowmobiler.

Fourth, when she finally got around to her qualifications, pretty much all we discovered was that she fought to cut property taxes. And then, she basically stopped there.

She did, however, mention becoming energy self-sufficient - by talking about how she supported drilling in Alaska!!! Perhaps to Republicans this is being an environmentalist, but to most of America, not so much. Then again, she's also against putting polar bears on the endangered species list (which the government did), so maybe her environmental qualifications are more lax than she thinks.

And then, finally, she spent the rest of her time praising John McCain. Fine, that's very supportive of her...except that the one question on everyone's mind was not -- "can you say John McCain is a swell guy and tell us that he was a POW", the question on everyone's mind was - "Who in God's name are you, and please tell us why you should be a heart-beat from the presidency?"

In the end, the only case she herself made for being on the ticket was praising Hillary Clinton! That's it, period. Now, it might be enough to attract some women -- but it doesn't make a case for the ticket. Why? Hint: some women did vote for Hillary Clinton solely because she was a woman. But most women voted for Hillary Clinton because she was a Democrat, as well as a woman, who stood for important Democratic values they seriously believed in. If Sarah Palin wants to praise Hillary Clinton, go for it. But at least understand what you're praising. Because it will likely come back and bite you.

It was a thin, nothing, empty speech. It was a speech to be head of the Chamber of Commerce. Compare that to the speech by Joe Biden when Barack Obama introduced him. Eloquent, soaring and explaining in blunt detail why John McCain should not be president. Joe Biden must have been watching Sarah Palin's speech, in order to take notes in preparation for his debate with her and thought, "This isn't fair."

And all that's not even the reason the decision is so terrible.

The reason is because the election is not about Sarah Palin. Or about Joe Biden. As much as TV analysts want to be excited by the balloons and hoopla, tomorrow the air will be let out, and there are still over two months to go for the campaign.

The campaign is about Barack Obama and John McCain.

Sarah Palin's nomination doesn't change that. In fact, it reinforces it. Nothing about putting Sarah Palin on the GOP ticket changes a word that Barack Obama said in his vibrant acceptance speech - about himself, about his issues, and about John McCain's repeatedly faulty judgment on the critical issues facing America.

What Sarah Palin's nomination does do is focus attention on John McCain's age. Indeed, the nomination was made on his birthday, when he turned 72, the oldest man ever to run for president. As the crowd sang "Happy Birthday to You," you almost sensed that through John McCain's clenched smile, saying, "Thanks for reminding me," that what he was thinking underneath was "Please, oh, please, don't sing the 'How old are you now?' part." And how good a message was it that he's saying he supposedly forgot it was his birthday?

Vice presidents are usually selected as people who are adept at blasting the other side's presidential candidate, because it's only the presidential candidate that matters. Joe Biden has already done that - twice - at length, spoken as someone who knows John McCain well and likes him. Sarah Palin had her first chance...and whiffed. Didn't even try. And it's hard to imagine what she has in her arsenal that will remotely allow her to do so in the future.

The election is about the presidential candidates. And the selection of Sarah Palin now allows Barack Obama to campaign untouched by the Republican ticket. John McCain's only other option is for himself to personally become negative for two months - which is disaster in presidential politics.

Now add on all the problems expressed above. Sarah Palin's inexplicably laughable lack of substance, most-especially on the foreign policy stage. Her taking away the one issue, experience, Republicans were even attempting. Her pushing away voters who might otherwise be willing to vote for a senator with 26 years in the Senate. Her bringing Hillary Clinton aggressively back into the campaign. Her inability to offer anything to off-set Joe Biden. Her standing as supposedly the most-qualified Republican woman as John McCain's first decision.

And, in the end, it all focuses back on Barack Obama, with his indictment of eight years of the Bush Administration and of John McCain's flawed judgment - and John McCain's defense of all that.

Republicans might be dancing earlier today, because there was a lot of fun music playing. But the music has stopped. The actual campaign has now started. For Republicans, it might have ended.
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Seraph




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 31 2008, 4:34 am
As much as I hate to think about it (the mere thought makes me FREAK out seriously), I think Obama just won the presidency... I think Sarah Palin seems like a good strong woman, someone I'd admire... And honestly, though she doesnt have much experience, whole lot of good it seems to have done for everyone. I think power corrupts, and the longer someone is in power, the more corrupt they get. So the fact that she's relatively new to the political scene seems great to me, not a flaw.
Anyhow, McCain and she may not be the greatest orators, but since when is a good president made by eloquent speeches full of fluff and magical promises? You want that? Why don't we have an actor become president- we already have Schwarzeneggar who became Gov of California. Actors are orators. We dont need an actor. We need someone with values, and these are things the pair seem to have...
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Seraph




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 31 2008, 4:36 am
Oh, btw, the fact that in her acceptance speech she spoke about herself and her family seems like a plus to me- she shows she's a real person, with real values, a person who cares about people. I think someone who is a self made woman who cares about her family and family values is a much better choice for potential president because she is REAL. I think thats what she was trying to show in her speech. She's a real person like me and you. Someone who can understand real people, and will try to make a better like for real people.
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Akeres Habayis




 
 
    
 

Post Sun, Aug 31 2008, 6:08 am
funny u say that,when obama's people said the exact thing BEFORE her,they were all considered fake
the problem here is mccain emphasized that inexperience can't play any part in the presidential election,and here he goes and choose someone who wasn't even known by his own party!
when clinton was elected he was in the same age bracket as obama,no foreign policy experience AT ALL
so go figure.
anyway,I see people do have their mind made up whether new facts are presented or not.
I personally believe that if obama had a different name and different color he wouldn't get as much flack as he has received on this forum.
when u sit and weigh the pros and cons of both candidates u see clearly that obama comes out w/more to offer.but bc people are use to the same thing then they will vote for the same thing,no matter what.
it doesn't matter that every one knows that mccain voted 95% w/bush,
he has been quoted as saying the economy is just fine shock

where is that darn icon w/hair pulling out,I need it
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