El Al passengers- seriously?

Ruchi

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 12:01 am

shyshira wrote:

The passengers would have accepted the risk that they might be stuck in NY for Shabbos. (Thought is early in the season for this kind of weather)

Probably didn't anticipate sitting on the tarmac being told they could leave the plane - and then 'surprise - we are in the air now'.

But this is where the risk lies. You cannot guarantee ever what can happen in advance. That is why one should avoid taking such a flight.

shyshira

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 12:11 am

Ruchi wrote:

But this is where the risk lies. You cannot guarantee ever what can happen in advance. That is why one should avoid taking such a flight.

There is risk in getting on an airplane generally. Or leaving the front door for that matter.

It was ElAl - so they weren't on a plane during Shabbos. Had the story been - plane got stuck in-flight from NYC to TLV diverts to Athens to accommodate frum passengers - this story wouldn't have had the angry bend.

People were angry because the whole affair was mismanaged (threatening flight attendants however - never acceptable).

etky

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 12:43 am

shyshira wrote:

The passengers would have accepted the risk that they might be stuck in NY for Shabbos. (Though it is early in the season for this kind of weather)

Probably didn't anticipate sitting on the tarmac being told they could leave the plane - and then 'surprise - we are in the air now'.

So this indeed is what the airline should have done. It should have cancelled the flight once it was apparent that they could not make it to TLV in time for Shabbat and put everyone up at a hotel in NY until Sat. night. Moreover, since the 3 hour delay was probably the fault of their cabin crew's late arrival.

Unfortunately, it's clear now that although ELAL will do anything not to fly on Shabbat, passengers' convenience is not their top priority and people have to allow for that.
It made economic sense for ElAL to get the planes out of snowbound NYC before Shabbat and to advance the two aircraft (the Athens flight and the flight that was going to be diverted to Rome) as far as possible towards Israel so as to avoid a ripple effect of flight cancelations and to allow the aircraft to fly the long haul Sat. night flights out of Ben Gurion. It was also cheaper to put up the passengers in Rome and Athens overnight than for 2 nights in NYC.

Basically, the company's bottom line dictated their decision making.

Indeed, had they been on any other airline, the passengers might have ended up violating Shabbat. In this respect, flying ElAl does mitigate this risk.

Still, anything can happen when you travel long distances and an Orthodox Jew has to take that into account when setting out on a long journey that is calculated to bring him to his destination mere hours before Shabbat, and then only if everything goes according to plan.

shyshira

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 1:25 am

etky wrote:

I just don't think this is a story about frum Jews choosing to book an ElAl flight that departs on a Thursday. This I assume is a regular flight - in all seasons.

Its a story about how things ended up resolving themselves unpleasantly.

People take risks. This flight was supposed to land 5 hours before Shabbos - thats a nice window. That's the cushion. And if things are looking to be tight - not starting the journey is how most people would deal with it. Its the way that most of the passengers appeared to want to deal with it.

ElAl as a business takes a risk in offering the flight to begin with since the airline doesn't fly on Shabbos. From reading https://hamodia.com/2018/11/17.....-002/ sounds like there was blatant miscommunication and dishonesty.

I would probably book that flight - if I was away from my family working until noon on Thursday. I'd rather risk being stuck in NY because of weather than choose to be away from my family for Shabbos because I was too nervous to book a ticket, in case I might get stuck...

etky

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 1:59 am

shyshira wrote:

So what I'm saying is that the risk is not only being stuck in NY, at the beginning of the journey, when you still have some discretion and control over what happens. I can understand people being willing to take THAT particular risk.
The risk is other, more unpredictable outcomes - such as the one in this story - that can happen mid-journey, and that can result from the company handling the risks and making decisions (including not allowing people to disembark) that are convenient for them but less so for the passengers, or from any other type of problem that can arise when flying, especially in winter.
Flights get diverted all the time due to: weather, medical diversions, technical in flight problems and even to eject unruly passengers. In that regard I think that 5 hours is not a comfortable cushion and remember that you have to subtract airport processing time and travel time to your destination from the airport.
Barring extenuating circumstance, given the vicissitudes of travel I would not feel comfortable booking a winter flight from North America to Tel Aviv due in five hours before Shabbat.

WhatFor

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 2:56 am

So I saw two completely conflicting reports about what happened and I'm not going to comment on this particular incident because I really don't know what happened. But if it's true that the flight was originally scheduled to land five hours before Shabbat, I'm going to agree with etky's last post.

I've traveled a bit in my lifetime and it's not at all unusual for flights to be delayed for one reason or another. It's always upsetting and inconvenient but it's not out of the ordinary.

You can't assume that just because you board by a certain time you'll take off by a certain time. I've sat in an El Al plane for a few hours before it took off due to technical issues. Scheduling an international flight to land five hours before shabbat is not advised if you want to be shomer Shabbat.

I think the staff should've let people off once they indicated they didn't want to fly.* But I don't think you should board a plane if you'll have to get off if the plane doesn't take off within the next few hours. Only board if you're committed to flying. Deplaning isn't as simple as opening a car side door, although the pit stop in Athens was probably even less convenient.

I hope this incident raises more awareness of the risks of flying so close to Shabbat.

*ETA- I'm actually curious if they could and how complicated this is. The plane would have to be pulled back to an available airbridge, luggage gone through and recovered for all the people leaving; in the meantime the pilot would have to reschedule their entire flight because at that point it definitely couldn't make it in time for Shabbat.

Kumphort

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 3:09 am

It’s not so easy just to let passengers off the plane. El al especially won’t fly luggage if the passengers have disembarked for fear of bombing etc. protocol would have made them empty all the luggage from the plane. Etc etc.

WhatFor

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 3:35 am

Kumphort wrote:

Exactly. And now I'm reading one of the first hand accounts and they're saying they boarded two hours late. So now I'm understanding that they knew they were expected to land in Israel three hours before Shabbat before they even boarded. I'll chalk this up to many people not having a lot of flying experience, but I'm sorry, you don't board a plane at that point if you're committed to keeping Shabbat.

One of the bloggers linked earlier in this thread sounded pretty entitled. Maybe he was just frazzled from his ordeal, but he was upset at El Al for not getting a flight out on motzei Shabbat before 1130 pm. Most airlines would probably not make that emergency landing in the first place and certainly would not be giving free connecting flights to passengers who force that. He also said his plight was reminiscent of Entebbe which NO.

Anyway, again, let this be a lesson to everyone, especially if you don't fly often and are unaware: Delays are very common, even after you've already boarded the flight. If you have reason to believe that you might be unable to fly if there's a delay of a few hours, don't board the flight.

causemommysaid

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:14 am

EL-AL SPONSORED SHABBOS OF UNITY

This Shabbos I had the tremendous privilege to be a part of something amazing, beautiful and enlightening. I am hoping El Al will see this and understand that there is a much better headline than the false headline “Haredim Riot On Plane” which I currently see online.
Here is the short of it. Our El Al flight was supposed to leave at 6:30pm. 3 members of the crew were late and we started boarding at 8:30pm during which the crew members arrived. At 9:10pm the flight doors were closed and everything was calm for about an hour.
At around 10pm many of the passengers who were concerned about Shabbos starting asking the crew members for detail about departure and no answers were given other than we are leaving in 5 minutes. Keep in mind, that at 10:25pm sitting on a JFK runway, El-AL’s website showed our flight as enroute having departed at 9:30PM.
I was sitting in business class, my seat was directly next to the stairs going to second floor, and 3 rows behind the first class food prep galley. I heard every exchange. At no time was there any physical threat presented by passengers concerned about Shabbos. I am loathe to use the term Chareidim, this was not some Neturei Karta protest full of black clad chasidim spewing nonsense. These were Jews from all walks of life and varied backgrounds who were concerned about Shabbos.
At 11:35pm there were about 40 passengers, myself included, who stood by the exit door and expressed our wishes to disembark from the plane. By this time we were sitting on the tarmac for two and half hours. One of the stewardesses told us that if they take us back to the gate and we get off the plane we would lose our tickets and not be rebooked. I am not sure if she was trying to shock us into sitting or if this was the real policy, but our response was unanimous;. every single person said that’s fine, we are ok with that, just take us back to the gate so we don’t violate Shabbos.   Not one person said, “What?? No,you have to rebook us”, or, “you can’t do that”, there was a simple, basic understanding, we had Shabbos.
At one point, someone whom I later found out to be Rabbi Shalom Ber Sorotzkin got on the intercom and said that he spoke to the pilot, and that the pilot guaranteed we would get to the airport before Shabbos, and that he (Rabbi Sorotzkin) arranged for everyone to have a place and a meal for Shabbos if they did not have time get to where they needed since we would arrive only one hour before Shabbos.

Many of us, myself included did not sit down and expressed our desire to go back the gate.
At that point the captain came onto the intercom. He told us we were going to go back to the gate as soon as everyone was seated. And we all went back to our seats.
I can’t begin to describe the sinking feeling in my stomach as I saw the plane turn away from the terminals and face the runway.   In less than 6 minutes after telling us to return to our seats to go back to the gate, we were in the air. FY I- there was no Wifi on the flight which meant our only source of information for the rest of the flight was the El-Al crew.
Four hours into the flight the Captain announced that because of the “Cheiredim” the plane would stop in Athens. At which point, all the people who want to get off for Shabbos can get off the plane first, and then, (and here is the kicker), all the people who want to continue to Israel will also have to get off the plane and go on a different plane from IsraAir to go to Israel.
What a shame… I wish El Al had announced the truth. We were stopping in Athens because El-Al made a series of bad calls, and once they landed they could not depart on Shabbos which is why they needed an non El-Al plane to continue to Israel on Shabbos.
This only caused the internal tension to rise and as our only source of information was the crew, who were less than helpful and not at all sympathetic . To be very clear, no one was angry at the stewardesses, everyone understood that they did not make the decisions. We were requesting to speak to the pilot or someone who can speak for the pilot. Again, there was no attempts to break into the cockpit, there were no physical altercations. Yes, there were some raised voices, but most of the time (I have the videos showing) it was secular Israeli passengers who came to yell at the passengers who were concerned about Shabbos that we were ruining their weekend.

This in itself was absurd because we did not make the decision to stop in Athens and the majority of the religious passengers preferred that we continue to Israel and be stuck in the Tel Aviv airport.
As the minutes crept closer to our arrival into Athens there were discussions on the plane about whether it was halachically better to stay on the plane or to disembark in Athens.   We had no clue what to expect. Would we stay in the airport? Was there a hotel? What would we eat?
When they served breakfast I realized that the packaged egg which they served for breakfast and the half a sandwich I had left from when I boarded the plane could very well be all we had to eat on Shabbos. I even put some nuts into my backpack for Shalosh Seudos.
When it was clear that we were landing in Athens and we would begin our descent we returned to our seats. Many of us tried to separate our Muktza items and to make sure our Tallis and Siddur were easily accessible.
After the plane landed and we stopped we disembarked on one of those rollaway staircases to get onto one of several shuttles. I was one of the first people onto the shuttle and I watched as dozens of more Yidden came off the plane with no other thought than, to stay on the plane would be chillul Shabbos, and getting off the plane was the best chance of keeping Shabbos.   Chasidim got off the plane, men with black hats, colored shirts, in t-shirts, in suits, women with sheitels, snoods, no sheitels, in skirts, in pants; everyone coming off the plane was united in one thing – We believe in Hashem, and his Torah, and Shabbos was our gift and our inheritance and we would keep it.
As the first shuttle was full and started towards the airport (there were more shuttles behind us) everyone broke into a song for Shabbos Kodesh.
Once we got to the airport we were met by a women from El Al who was very sweet and took the time to explain to us that we were would be staying across the street (literally) at a hotel and they would take us as soon as the other shuttles arrive.
As they led us into the hotel it was very chaotic. There were four hotel clerks and people started surging towards the front desk. At that point, one Rabbi, whom I later learned was Rabbi Akiva Katz yelled above the crowd and explained to everyone that we would need to create orderly lines in order not to overwhelm the clerks. He also let us know that they had set aside a place for davening and that Chabad had prepared food. This helped reduce the stress in the room and the process became more orderly as people were focused on getting to their rooms and ready for Shabbos in the 40 minutes we had left to Shkia.
Walking into Kabbalas Shabbos (I was late) was beautiful. The room was full of 60 or 70 men and about 10 women and everyone was singing. Rabbi Jesse Horn from Yeshiva Ateres Kohanim led Kabbalas Shabbos. We were all so happy to be able to keep Shabbos, and the davening and level of simcha was very high. I think we must have danced four or five times during Kabbalas Shabbos and Maariv.
After Kabbalas Shabbos we walked through the hotel to the dining area and I can tell you with 100% conviction that what I saw was beyond anything I could have imagined.
85% of the dining area was reserved for our Shabbos meal. The tables were set beautifully with bottles of wine, grape juice and challah rolls.   Where the hotel usually displayed it’s salad bars, and assortment of cold meats it was now filled with platters of gefilte fish, 6 or 7 large bowls with a variety of salads and dips, it was as if this had planned for weeks in advance. There was plenty of fleish for the main course and an assortment of side dishes to accompany it.
The Seudah was beautiful and everyone sang zemiros and niggunim and there were many Divrei Torah. Several people had stopped at the Duty free store to get bourbon and scotch for the Oilam, and it was very leibdige and the singing went on for quite a while
I woke up several times during the night as I was still on NY time and every time I went downstairs to the lobby there were people learning together or talking about the Parsha.
Shacharis was another beautiful davening and it was interesting to see how it was a mix of Nusach Sefard, Sefardi, Ashkenaz.
After davening several people went to the kitchen to help Rabbi and Rebbetzin Hendel (the Chabad Shluchim in Athens) prepare for seuda.
There were also two shiurim being given, one in Hebrew, and one in English by Rabbi Yossi Baumol.
After the Shiurim we went to the dining room where like the previous night there were copious amounts of delicious food, a wonderful meat kugel wrapped in pastry, brisket, a large assortment of salads. Unlike the previous night, where everyone sat next to people who were closest to them hashkafically, the seating during the Shabbos day Seuda was heterogeneous. Chasidim sat and schmoozed with Tzionim, Modox sat with black hats… I only use these labels so you can visualize the seating, but there were no labels at this Seuda, we sat in true achdus.
The rest of Shabbos and the subsequent trip back to the airport and our return flight to Israel was unremarkable in that I don’t need to bore you with the details.
First I would like to thank the following people.
Rabbi Shalom Ber Sorotzkin who had the foresight before the plane took off to have his organization contact El-Al and Chabad and put pressure on to make this Shabbos happen.
Rabbi and Rebbetzin Hendel, the Chabad Rabbi and Rebbetzin based in Athens, Greece. They got the call at 11am Friday morning and by 4pm that same afternoon they had prepared a beautiful Shabbos for 150+ adults which was not lacing in anyway.
My 150+ new friends and passengers who gave me an experience and Shabbos I will never forget.
Now a quick note to to El-AL. Hi El-Al, I don’t know who handles your marketing and social media program but you wasted a huge opportunity. Next time this happens, here is what you do. You make sure you get the same hotel and that Chabad sets up a beautiful Shabbos. You hire a Greek photographer and video guy, you video the amazing Shabbos – and then you promote it as an El-Al sponsored Shabbos Unity.   If you need more advice feel free to call or email me, or just send me some tickets as a thank you.
I would like to leave off with a few thoughts having just spent one of the most amazing Shabbos of my life.
1.     150+ Jews from all backgrounds and hashkafic orientations, wearing every outfit possible walked off a plane with one thought – We will keep Shabbos, even if it means sleeping in an airport.
2. Unlike our Great Grandparents, who were fired if the did not work on Shabbos (USA), or where were ostracized, and possibly incarcerated for keeping Shabbos (USSR). How often do we get a chance to be moser nefesh for Shabbos? This was a tremendous gift from Hashem to us that we had the chance to show Hashem how much we love him and his Torah, and we ALL took it.
3.     Every parent in that hotel who was not able to be home with their children that Shabbos taught their child a lesson that they could not have taught them in a 100 Shabbosim at home.   They showed that Shabbos means so much to Mommy, Tatty, Ima, Abba, etc that they would walk off a plane in the middle of a foreign country with no guaranty of food or a place to sleep.
4.     Yom Tov in the Beis Hamikdash was probably like this Shabbos.   Jews from all over coming together for Hashem and his mitzvos.I hope to see all of my fellow passengers this Pesach bringing korbanos in the Beis Hamikdash.
May we be zoche to see Mashiach and the return of the Beis Hamikdash.

With much love
Ben Chafetz

Can't verify the above but he did sign his name.

elisheva25

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:14 am

Did you guys read this ?
https://www.collive.com/show_n.....light

causemommysaid

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:15 am

elisheva25 wrote:

Did you guys read this ?
https://www.collive.com/show_n.....light

Literally just cross posted with you.

shyshira

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:15 am

etky wrote:

And I would book the flight - because I'm a bigger risk taker than you. (The reward of spending Shabbat with my family out ways the risks of spending Shabbat elsewhere) I also wouldn't complain on social media unless I felt I was terribly mistreated.

You are right - the flight could end up diverting elsewhere - especially since its ElAl - they will because of Shabbat.

I hadn't thought about the removing bags from the plane issue. That is an issue. Still passengers shouldn't have been lied to.

Raisin

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:16 am

I must say I am so impressed at the chabad shluchim who with about 5 hours notice conjured up food for 150 people for the whole shabbos!

Not sure I could pull that off.

etky

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:18 am

Raisin wrote:

I must say I am so impressed at the chabad shluchim who with about 5 hours notice conjured up food for 150 people for the whole shabbos!

Not sure I could pull that off.

I certainly hope that Elal contributed at least to the cost...

Raisin

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:26 am

etky wrote:

I certainly hope that Elal contributed at least to the cost...

I'm sure they did. But its a lot of work - and they had to transport the food to the hotel as well!

etky

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:28 am

shyshira wrote:

I think it was somewhat naive or unrealistic to demand to disembark but they certainly shouldn't have been misled the way they were. I think that the passengers also felt mistreated and their ire was raised by the fact that the delay was caused by the flight crew's tardiness and the airline wouldn't even level with them about that. Basically they were misled, kept in the dark and fed false information from begining to end.

etky

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:30 am

Raisin wrote:

I'm sure they did. But its a lot of work - and they had to transport the food to the hotel as well!

For sure!
Meanwhile, in Rome, the community/Chabad? had been put on notice (rooms booked, kosher food ordered) and then the whole thing was cancelled at the last minute....

SuperWify

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:54 am

Wow. I love how everyone is so quick to ElAl before sticking up for their own co-religionists... 🙄

No I dont think flying in a Thursday is a smart thing...

The passengers were sitting for three hours and begged the crew to let them disembark. The crew threatened that they’d lose their tickets but the religious Jews did not care.

The flight crew announced they were going to stop in Athens- because of the religious Jews- it had nothing to do with religious Jews- it’s because elals policy is not to fly on Shabbat and they needed to change planes.

Read this account-
EL-AL SPONSORED SHABBOS OF UNITY

This Shabbos I had the tremendous privilege to be a part of something amazing, beautiful and enlightening. I am hoping El Al will see this and understand that there is a much better headline than the false headline “Haredim Riot On Plane” which I currently see online.
Here is the short of it. Our El Al flight was supposed to leave at 6:30pm. 3 members of the crew were late and we started boarding at 8:30pm during which the crew members arrived. At 9:10pm the flight doors were closed and everything was calm for about an hour.
At around 10pm many of the passengers who were concerned about Shabbos starting asking the crew members for detail about departure and no answers were given other than we are leaving in 5 minutes. Keep in mind, that at 10:25pm sitting on a JFK runway, El-AL’s website showed our flight as enroute having departed at 9:30PM.
I was sitting in business class, my seat was directly next to the stairs going to second floor, and 3 rows behind the first class food prep galley. I heard every exchange. At no time was there any physical threat presented by passengers concerned about Shabbos. I am loathe to use the term Chareidim, this was not some Neturei Karta protest full of black clad chasidim spewing nonsense. These were Jews from all walks of life and varied backgrounds who were concerned about Shabbos.
At 11:35pm there were about 40 passengers, myself included, who stood by the exit door and expressed our wishes to disembark from the plane. By this time we were sitting on the tarmac for two and half hours. One of the stewardesses told us that if they take us back to the gate and we get off the plane we would lose our tickets and not be rebooked. I am not sure if she was trying to shock us into sitting or if this was the real policy, but our response was unanimous;. every single person said that’s fine, we are ok with that, just take us back to the gate so we don’t violate Shabbos.   Not one person said, “What?? No,you have to rebook us”, or, “you can’t do that”, there was a simple, basic understanding, we had Shabbos.
At one point, someone whom I later found out to be Rabbi Shalom Ber Sorotzkin got on the intercom and said that he spoke to the pilot, and that the pilot guaranteed we would get to the airport before Shabbos, and that he (Rabbi Sorotzkin) arranged for everyone to have a place and a meal for Shabbos if they did not have time get to where they needed since we would arrive only one hour before Shabbos.

Many of us, myself included did not sit down and expressed our desire to go back the gate.
At that point the captain came onto the intercom. He told us we were going to go back to the gate as soon as everyone was seated. And we all went back to our seats.
I can’t begin to describe the sinking feeling in my stomach as I saw the plane turn away from the terminals and face the runway.   In less than 6 minutes after telling us to return to our seats to go back to the gate, we were in the air. FY I- there was no Wifi on the flight which meant our only source of information for the rest of the flight was the El-Al crew.
Four hours into the flight the Captain announced that because of the “Cheiredim” the plane would stop in Athens. At which point, all the people who want to get off for Shabbos can get off the plane first, and then, (and here is the kicker), all the people who want to continue to Israel will also have to get off the plane and go on a different plane from IsraAir to go to Israel.
What a shame… I wish El Al had announced the truth. We were stopping in Athens because El-Al made a series of bad calls, and once they landed they could not depart on Shabbos which is why they needed an non El-Al plane to continue to Israel on Shabbos.
This only caused the internal tension to rise and as our only source of information was the crew, who were less than helpful and not at all sympathetic . To be very clear, no one was angry at the stewardesses, everyone understood that they did not make the decisions. We were requesting to speak to the pilot or someone who can speak for the pilot. Again, there was no attempts to break into the cockpit, there were no physical altercations. Yes, there were some raised voices, but most of the time (I have the videos showing) it was secular Israeli passengers who came to yell at the passengers who were concerned about Shabbos that we were ruining their weekend.

This in itself was absurd because we did not make the decision to stop in Athens and the majority of the religious passengers preferred that we continue to Israel and be stuck in the Tel Aviv airport.
As the minutes crept closer to our arrival into Athens there were discussions on the plane about whether it was halachically better to stay on the plane or to disembark in Athens.   We had no clue what to expect. Would we stay in the airport? Was there a hotel? What would we eat?
When they served breakfast I realized that the packaged egg which they served for breakfast and the half a sandwich I had left from when I boarded the plane could very well be all we had to eat on Shabbos. I even put some nuts into my backpack for Shalosh Seudos.
When it was clear that we were landing in Athens and we would begin our descent we returned to our seats. Many of us tried to separate our Muktza items and to make sure our Tallis and Siddur were easily accessible.
After the plane landed and we stopped we disembarked on one of those rollaway staircases to get onto one of several shuttles. I was one of the first people onto the shuttle and I watched as dozens of more Yidden came off the plane with no other thought than, to stay on the plane would be chillul Shabbos, and getting off the plane was the best chance of keeping Shabbos.   Chasidim got off the plane, men with black hats, colored shirts, in t-shirts, in suits, women with sheitels, snoods, no sheitels, in skirts, in pants; everyone coming off the plane was united in one thing – We believe in Hashem, and his Torah, and Shabbos was our gift and our inheritance and we would keep it.
As the first shuttle was full and started towards the airport (there were more shuttles behind us) everyone broke into a song for Shabbos Kodesh.
Once we got to the airport we were met by a women from El Al who was very sweet and took the time to explain to us that we were would be staying across the street (literally) at a hotel and they would take us as soon as the other shuttles arrive.
As they led us into the hotel it was very chaotic. There were four hotel clerks and people started surging towards the front desk. At that point, one Rabbi, whom I later learned was Rabbi Akiva Katz yelled above the crowd and explained to everyone that we would need to create orderly lines in order not to overwhelm the clerks. He also let us know that they had set aside a place for davening and that Chabad had prepared food. This helped reduce the stress in the room and the process became more orderly as people were focused on getting to their rooms and ready for Shabbos in the 40 minutes we had left to Shkia.
Walking into Kabbalas Shabbos (I was late) was beautiful. The room was full of 60 or 70 men and about 10 women and everyone was singing. Rabbi Jesse Horn from Yeshiva Ateres Kohanim led Kabbalas Shabbos. We were all so happy to be able to keep Shabbos, and the davening and level of simcha was very high. I think we must have danced four or five times during Kabbalas Shabbos and Maariv.
After Kabbalas Shabbos we walked through the hotel to the dining area and I can tell you with 100% conviction that what I saw was beyond anything I could have imagined.
85% of the dining area was reserved for our Shabbos meal. The tables were set beautifully with bottles of wine, grape juice and challah rolls.   Where the hotel usually displayed it’s salad bars, and assortment of cold meats it was now filled with platters of gefilte fish, 6 or 7 large bowls with a variety of salads and dips, it was as if this had planned for weeks in advance. There was plenty of fleish for the main course and an assortment of side dishes to accompany it.
The Seudah was beautiful and everyone sang zemiros and niggunim and there were many Divrei Torah. Several people had stopped at the Duty free store to get bourbon and scotch for the Oilam, and it was very leibdige and the singing went on for quite a while
I woke up several times during the night as I was still on NY time and every time I went downstairs to the lobby there were people learning together or talking about the Parsha.
Shacharis was another beautiful davening and it was interesting to see how it was a mix of Nusach Sefard, Sefardi, Ashkenaz.
After davening several people went to the kitchen to help Rabbi and Rebbetzin Hendel (the Chabad Shluchim in Athens) prepare for seuda.
There were also two shiurim being given, one in Hebrew, and one in English by Rabbi Yossi Baumol.
After the Shiurim we went to the dining room where like the previous night there were copious amounts of delicious food, a wonderful meat kugel wrapped in pastry, brisket, a large assortment of salads. Unlike the previous night, where everyone sat next to people who were closest to them hashkafically, the seating during the Shabbos day Seuda was heterogeneous. Chasidim sat and schmoozed with Tzionim, Modox sat with black hats… I only use these labels so you can visualize the seating, but there were no labels at this Seuda, we sat in true achdus.
The rest of Shabbos and the subsequent trip back to the airport and our return flight to Israel was unremarkable in that I don’t need to bore you with the details.
First I would like to thank the following people.
Rabbi Shalom Ber Sorotzkin who had the foresight before the plane took off to have his organization contact El-Al and Chabad and put pressure on to make this Shabbos happen.
Rabbi and Rebbetzin Hendel, the Chabad Rabbi and Rebbetzin based in Athens, Greece. They got the call at 11am Friday morning and by 4pm that same afternoon they had prepared a beautiful Shabbos for 150+ adults which was not lacing in anyway.
My 150+ new friends and passengers who gave me an experience and Shabbos I will never forget.
Now a quick note to to El-AL. Hi El-Al, I don’t know who handles your marketing and social media program but you wasted a huge opportunity. Next time this happens, here is what you do. You make sure you get the same hotel and that Chabad sets up a beautiful Shabbos. You hire a Greek photographer and video guy, you video the amazing Shabbos – and then you promote it as an El-Al sponsored Shabbos Unity.   If you need more advice feel free to call or email me, or just send me some tickets as a thank you.
I would like to leave off with a few thoughts having just spent one of the most amazing Shabbos of my life.
1.     150+ Jews from all backgrounds and hashkafic orientations, wearing every outfit possible walked off a plane with one thought – We will keep Shabbos, even if it means sleeping in an airport.
2. Unlike our Great Grandparents, who were fired if the did not work on Shabbos (USA), or where were ostracized, and possibly incarcerated for keeping Shabbos (USSR). How often do we get a chance to be moser nefesh for Shabbos? This was a tremendous gift from Hashem to us that we had the chance to show Hashem how much we love him and his Torah, and we ALL took it.
3.     Every parent in that hotel who was not able to be home with their children that Shabbos taught their child a lesson that they could not have taught them in a 100 Shabbosim at home.   They showed that Shabbos means so much to Mommy, Tatty, Ima, Abba, etc that they would walk off a plane in the middle of a foreign country with no guaranty of food or a place to sleep.
4.     Yom Tov in the Beis Hamikdash was probably like this Shabbos.   Jews from all over coming together for Hashem and his mitzvos.I hope to see all of my fellow passengers this Pesach bringing korbanos in the Beis Hamikdash.
May we be zoche to see Mashiach and the return of the Beis Hamikdash.

With much love
Ben Chafetz

causemommysaid

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:58 am

WhatFor wrote:

One of the bloggers linked earlier in this thread sounded pretty entitled. Maybe he was just frazzled from his ordeal, but he was upset at El Al for not getting a flight out on motzei Shabbat before 1130 pm. Most airlines would probably not make that emergency landing in the first place and certainly would not be giving free connecting flights to passengers who force that. He also said his plight was reminiscent of Entebbe which NO.

People pay more for ELAL flights to get that entitement.

ELAL doesn't fly on shabbos. They backed themselves into a corner with this one and had to provide what they did.

etky

Sun, Nov 18 2018, 5:59 am

Anyone else want to post Ben Chafetz's remarks?