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Ora in town

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 9:02 am

amother [ OP ] wrote:

“They are the single most important variable that you can control,” Leffler said in a phone interview. “We have a graph that makes it very clear that mortality is hundreds of times lower if you use masks.”

https://www.virginiamercury.co.....aths/

Thank you for posting this.
It is really very illuminating...

And sad, to some extend, because so many people in Europa and America had to die, just because of such a stupid mistake.

Back in February, I did some research about Corona, and some lone voices were recommending masks. But for some reason public health authorities mainly spoke about washing and desinfecting hands... it was like a ritual, something you can do so that people think they are in control.... turns out it was the wrong priority...

amother

Lemon

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 9:04 am

Yes they were trying to tell people to do what was in their control because masks were a scarcity then

southernbubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 9:09 am

Masks are important but shouldn't give anyone a false sense of security. Crowded places are still dangerous, even if everyone wears a mask. The masks reduce the danger but some people could still get sick.

Ora in town

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 9:52 am

southernbubby wrote:

I agree with you.

Now is not the time to have 300 guest-weddings or sold out opera performances at the met or 40'000 people election rallies...

On the other hand: had all the New Yorkers using the subway worn maks in February/March, the situation would be different too...

#BestBubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:18 am

I will say it again - I am opposed to people wearing masks OUTDOORS - even if they pass
within 6 feet. The risk is virtually zero of infecting someone just by passing by.

And people ARE wearing masks while walking outdoors - because they are told they are
killers if they don't. That is FAKE and this Leftist promoted hysteria is being used to
prolong the lockdown and destroy jobs and businesses.

#BestBubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:31 am

Ora in town wrote:

You have no idea what that would translate to, specially within a family. Father high risk, rest of family normal. One child high risk, all other children normal.

Practically, the UK explicitly tried this approach and failed miserably, so that they had to change (see the video comparing UK and NZ, there are videos where Johnson & chief virologist say just that, before they changed) Sweden tried to isolate elderly & risk groups and failed miserably (20 times fatality rate of neighbour Norway)

Yair Bolsonaro in Brazil had an anti-SD discourse and failed miserably, they are now second only to the USA in fatalities...

And Trump in the USA failed miserably. Remember how he bragged it was nothing, they had just 15 cases? Now they have 120'000 fatalities. He was wrong (about not implementing security measures in February/early march), and before you say it: De Blasio and Cuomo were just as wrong as him. Washington State handled it much better.

But that trump wants to organise a rally with 40'000 people in Oklahoma, that was spared so far, is criminally reckless. You can't have big assemblies in such a situation. South Korea showed it. Mulhouse showed it. And the famous choir rehearsal showed it.

1. You cannot say that just isolating elderly and sick "failed miserably" because it is TOO SOON to say.

Per SCIENTISTS, social distancing does NOT stop the spread of Covid19, it only SLOWS it down - so the final tally of deaths between those who did lockdown and those who didn't may be similar.

But those who DID lockdown will have DEATHS and MISERY caused by destroying millions of jobs IN ADDITION to deaths from Covid19.

2. Trump did not do a "miserable job" that is FAKE NEWS LIE. Aside from the death rate in USA being INFLATED (counting people who died in car accidents, stroke or heart attack as Covid)
the USA death rate per million is similar to other countries.

3. Furthermore, it was the DEMOCRATS who in February who were saying that Covid19 was NOT serious and were denouncing Trump's travel bans as racist and over-reaction. So had a DEMOCRAT been president the DEATH TOLL WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR HIGHER.

#BestBubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:37 am

House Democrats Oppose Travel Ban - Seek To Limit President's Power to Impose Travel Bans

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amother

Babyblue

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:42 am

#BestBubby, what is your view on the fact that Trump is holding an indoor rally, without mandating any masks and obviously no social distancing whatsoever (over 1,000,000 have requested tickets, with the arena having only 20,000 capacity), in a state where cases are on an upwards trend?

Just curious what your take is on that.

#BestBubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:44 am

Pelosi urging people to visit Chinatown in February:

EXPERTS saying Coronavirus NOT SERIOUS in February:

southernbubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:49 am

#BestBubby wrote:

I see only non-Jews wearing masks outdoors and I think that they do it because they are afraid of catching the virus and they think that the masks protect them. Maybe they are a little safer. The government didn't tell them to wear masks outdoors.

#BestBubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:50 am

amother [ Babyblue ] wrote:

If Democrats and Health Experts can support Mass Protests, then Trump can have a rally.

Or do you think the right to assemble is only for Democrats?

Furthermore, Trump's Rally is doing temperature checks, giving out masks and hand sanitizer.
Black Lives Matter Protests did not.

#BestBubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:55 am

southernbubby wrote:

The news is being deliberately misleading - telling people to wear masks when IN PUBLIC.

Being outdoors is being "in public"

amother

Babyblue

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:55 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Two wrong don't make a right. (FTR, I don't support either.)

I didn't ask for an opinion on the protests, I asked for an opinion on the rally.

And there's no way you can compare the outdoor protest where majority wore masks to an indoor event filled to capacity.

PinkFridge

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:57 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Will the seating be only at partial capacity as per CDC guidelines?

amother

Linen

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 10:58 am

#BestBubby wrote:

No one says you have to wear a mask outdoors if you PASS within 6 feet of someone. The people I see wearing masks outside are engaged in conversations (often with one or more people in the conversation being elderly) or are in a crowded area or are going in and out of stores so are maybe just leaving the mask on instead if taking it on and off.

Do you have a source for the bolded because even the infectious diseases specialists I have heard, who strongly advocate mask wearing indoors or when in close proximity to people outdoors, have not said that?

amother

Lemon

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 11:01 am

It is not that two wrongs make a right.

It is that a double standard seriously undermines any argument of credibility.

If masks are life savers then why weren't the same people against trump gatherings, jewish gatherings, camps, and school FREAKING OUT and enforcing the rules and law over protester gatherings and riotings all across the nation of thousands crowded together?

If this is such a serious lifesaving measure, which it very well may be, then why were they supporting mass gatherings unregulated ?

Maybe they are severely racist and only want to protect the "right wingers" and don't care if BLM and its supporters die from Covid chas v shalom?

And even they so horridly discriminate against the protesters by not caring if they catch covid what about the contagion and spread that would create a second wave worse than the first chas v shalom?!

#BestBubby

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 11:01 am

amother [ Linen ] wrote:

News repeatedly says to wear masks IN PUBLIC. Walking Outdoors is IN PUBLIC.

amother

Lemon

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 11:02 am

Seems pretty clear I don't know whats the big debate. Sounds like everyone is in agreement.
Masks indoor in public places and when SD is not possible.

amother

Linen

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 11:09 am

#BestBubby wrote:

News repeatedly says to wear masks IN PUBLIC. Walking Outdoors is IN PUBLIC.

Oh, I see. I don't get my information from the news. I get it from the infectious diseases specialists and other doctors in our community who are giving guidelines. And honestly I wish more people would do the same.

LovesHashem

Fri, Jun 19 2020, 11:17 am

Best Bubby you didn’t reply to my post.

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