CDC Changes Rules for Covid Reports in Vaccinated

amother

Sun, May 09 2021, 10:52 pm

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/c......html

In 10 years from now they will say that the vaccine eradicated the disease. People, watch it happen. By changing the rules of how Covid cases are counted, the CDC ensures it gets the results it needs.

According to the latest available numbers, as of April 26, the CDC reported 9,245 people had tested positive for COVID at least two weeks after getting their final COVID vaccination. About 9%, or 835, people required hospitalization and 132 died.

Of the hospitalized patients, 241 were said to be asymptomatic or having an illness not related to COVID, and 20 deaths were reported as asymptomatic or not related to the disease.

“These surveillance data are a snapshot and help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases,” the CDC said in an April 27 statement. “As CDC and state health departments shift to focus only on investigating vaccine breakthrough cases that result in hospitalization or death, those data will be regularly updated and posted every Friday.”

According to the CDC, actual vaccine breakthrough numbers are likely higher as the surveillance system is passive and relies on voluntary reporting from state health departments and may not be complete. In addition, some breakthrough cases will not be identified due to lack of testing. This is particularly true in instances of asymptomatic or mild illness, CDC added.

The CDC said vaccines are still effective, noting the breakthrough cases represent a small percentage of those who have been vaccinated.

DrMom

Mon, May 10 2021, 3:32 am

amother [ OP ] wrote:

Trying to understand. Are saying that if someone has no symptoms but gets a + covid test, the CDC will count this case among its case statistics only if the person in question is not vaccinated?

Or are you saying that when assessing the success of the vaccine, they are using the number of hospitalizations and deaths as one of their main metrics, but they will continue to keep track of all cases?

The latter makes more sense. This is what is done in Israel -- the Min of Health tracks total cases, severe cases, hospitalizations, ventilations, and deaths. It is all very clear and transparent. (We have seen reductions in all categories, BTW.)
You can track this data here. It is updated ~3x/day:
https://datadashboard.health.g.....neral

Also, the CDC is very open and explicit about the change in metrics on their site (in your post, you make it sound as if they are trying conceal this information):

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How to interpret these data
It is important to note that reported vaccine breakthrough cases will represent an undercount. This surveillance system is passive and relies on voluntary reporting from state health departments which may not be complete. Also, not all real-world breakthrough cases will be identified because of lack of testing. This is particularly true in instances of asymptomatic or mild illness. These surveillance data are a snapshot and help identify patterns and look for signals among vaccine breakthrough cases.

ora_43

Mon, May 10 2021, 5:30 am

I'm also not understanding what you see wrong with this, OP.

This isn't some secret conspiracy. It's literally right there on their webpage.

If the vaccine doesn't make a significant difference, then it won't matter whether the CDC is reporting total cases or only serious cases. Either way, the numbers will come out showing that the vaccine is ineffective. The only way that this change makes the vaccine look better is if the vaccine actually is better - ie, if it prevents covid from becoming serious.

As the CDC site itself says, if anything, tracking total numbers makes the vaccine look better at preventing covid than it is, due to underreporting. Serious cases are less likely to be underreported than mild ones.

JoyInTheMorning

Mon, May 10 2021, 6:37 am

I am very pro vax. But in this case, I agree that the CDC is erring by not focusing on reporting on breakthrough cases for any COVID case -- whether or not it results in hospitalization or death. We know that long-haul COVID is more frequently associated with mild COVID disease. And mild to moderate COVID has been associated with myocarditis and pericarditis. We need to know how frequently there are cases of breakthrough COVID, period.

Is there underreporting of such cases? I'm sure there is. The answer is not to stop counting these cases entirely. We need to understand whatever data there is, and also to incentivize reporting.

This is only one of several bad mistakes that the CDC has made. They only recently came out with what scientists have known for months -- that Covid is airborne. They argued against masks in March 2020. They need to improve.

That doesn't mean we should side with the crazies who argued that Covid wasn't real, would disappear by Easter 2020 (Trump in March 2020). wouldn't surge in the summer (Pence in June 2020 in a WSJ op-ed), could be cured by hydroxychloroquine, azythromycin, and zinc (Vladimir Zelenko in March 2020), or that masks were a "personal choice" (Ronny Jackson in July 2020).

But there are serious problems with the CDC and we shouldn't ignore them.

amother

Mon, May 10 2021, 8:02 am

amother [ Turquoise ] wrote:

This is a standard antivax complaint, same as the earlier vaccines all the way back to polio.
For some reason I don't quite get, the CDC changes which cases get counted once the vaccine is working well. So it looks like the number of cases has dropped majorly since the implementation of the vaccine when in fact (here in the NY at least) it dropped much earlier.
OP, leave the science to the scientists, and medicine to the drs. They aren't out to get you, your money, or your bodies.

The bolded is what this thread is all about. I don't need your condescending last sentence though.

amother

Mon, May 10 2021, 8:05 am

amother [ Turquoise ] wrote:

Note that people have not been getting tested when they were sick so that they don't have to quarantine. So probably the cases are much more than what's been counted.
Also, healthy people at one point were getting tested week after week in order to skew the statistics a certain way.

So the numbers might be off but the vaccine works and is a good option.

The numbers are definitely off and the CDC is continuing to ensure that the numbers are off. It's not ok to tamper with those numbers while people are still making decisions regarding the vaccine.

amother

Mon, May 10 2021, 8:23 am

amother [ Turquoise ] wrote:

I'm not behind condescending. I'm being factual.
The numbers are off, they will always be off. They've been off forever, with every vaccine and every disease. We made it to today intact despite that. It's really not so terrible. Let Hashem run His world and stop emphasizing the nitty gritty terrible things that might happen.

Where does Hashem come in here? Is the CDC listening to some bas kol? It seems like this thread isn't for you if you like to not focus on nitty gritty details because the the thread title is literally about numbers, and why the CDC would change the rules in middle.