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amother
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 8:28 pm
My husband is israeli and we live in NJ, all kids born here. We never registered any of our kids as Israeli citizens because everyone told us not to. Every time we fly to israel we just use their American passports and we've never had any issues in the airport.
Now with Covid we are considering registering them as citizens so we can get into Israel without an Ishur so we can visit our family. Any reason why this would not be a good idea? If it's because of the army can't they just get an exemption when they turn 18?
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amother
DarkRed
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 8:32 pm
The advantages are obvious.
On the downside, if they don't want to do army service, they will have to file the appropriate paperwork. If they make aliyah, their benefits nay be affected.
But it could be that you don't have a choice and have to register them anyway. I don't know the law.
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Crimson
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 8:33 pm
amother [ OP ] wrote: | My husband is israeli and we live in NJ, all kids born here. We never registered any of our kids as Israeli citizens because everyone told us not to. Every time we fly to israel we just use their American passports and we've never had any issues in the airport.
Now with Covid we are considering registering them as citizens so we can get into Israel without an Ishur so we can visit our family. Any reason why this would not be a good idea? If it's because of the army can't they just get an exemption when they turn 18? | yes, but it's a hassle to get an exemption, but in your case, I think that if your dh is Israeli, they are Israeli too and must fly with an Israeli passport.
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IsraeliSoul
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 8:45 pm
Why do Israeli citizens who live abroad need to serve in the army or get an exemption?
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amother
Hibiscus
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 8:57 pm
Because that is Israeli law
And they will stop kids/teens at passport control if not done properly
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amother
Maple
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 8:59 pm
My father who’s birth place is listed as Jerusalem has been afraid to travel to Israel for years because they might make him problems. I think it becomes kind of a hassle with draft notices and stuff once they’re registered.
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amother
DarkRed
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:10 pm
amother [ Maple ] wrote: | My father who’s birth place is listed as Jerusalem has been afraid to travel to Israel for years because they might make him problems. I think it becomes kind of a hassle with draft notices and stuff once they’re registered. |
If he was born in Jerusalem, then yes, he's Israeli. He can get draft exemption forms from your local consulate. Once he fills them out, the hassle goes away.
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amother
Zinnia
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:20 pm
amother [ DarkRed ] wrote: |
But it could be that you don't have a choice and have to register them anyway. I don't know the law. |
citizenship only passes to children born abroad if the parent was born in Israel.
I am a citizen because my father was born in Israel and an Israeli.
My children are not citizens even though I am because I was born in NY.
I currently have the same dilemma as the OP. I am thinking of getting citizenship for all of them so we can go visit. They cant get in at the moment because none of the kids are vaccinated.
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shev
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:25 pm
amother [ DarkRed ] wrote: | If he was born in Jerusalem, then yes, he's Israeli. He can get draft exemption forms from your local consulate. Once he fills them out, the hassle goes away. |
My children were born in Israel, and it says in theyre pssprts that they were born in Jerusalem but that doesnt make them automatically Israeli. Because, my husband and I are not Israeli my children arent either.
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amother
Crimson
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:29 pm
shev wrote: | My children were born in Israel, and it says in theyre pssprts that they were born in Jerusalem but that doesnt make them automatically Israeli. Because, my husband and I are not Israeli my children arent either. | Are you American? How does insurance work when it comes to giving birth in Israeli hospitals if you're not an Israeli citizen? Do you have to pay out of pocket?
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mommy9
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:31 pm
I think citizens also have to pay a tax when they leave the country.
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amother
DarkRed
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:32 pm
shev wrote: | My children were born in Israel, and it says in theyre pssprts that they were born in Jerusalem but that doesnt make them automatically Israeli. Because, my husband and I are not Israeli my children arent either. |
Because presumably you immediately registered your children with another citizenship. If someone is born in Israel and doesn't have another citizenship, then he's going to be considered Israeli and eligible for the draft. (Though if you've lived most of your life outside of Israel, it's not hard to get.)
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Mocha
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:45 pm
Same issue OP. I'm leaning towards getting them citizenship
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amother
Electricblue
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:48 pm
shev wrote: | My children were born in Israel, and it says in theyre pssprts that they were born in Jerusalem but that doesnt make them automatically Israeli. Because, my husband and I are not Israeli my children arent either. |
If they are born in Israel, you must have renounced their citizenship in order for them not to be considered Israeli. (It's a very simple process, I think you can do it when registering the birth. Many people do it.)
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amother
Electricblue
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:50 pm
amother [ Crimson ] wrote: | Are you American? How does insurance work when it comes to giving birth in Israeli hospitals if you're not an Israeli citizen? Do you have to pay out of pocket? |
If you are eligible to live here (eg. on a student visa) than you can join bituach leumi. You don't need to be an actual citizen.
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amother
Hibiscus
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:51 pm
It’s renounced as in giving it up
Denounced is like condemning Chas v Shalom
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amother
Electricblue
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:53 pm
amother [ Hibiscus ] wrote: | It’s renounced as in giving it up
Denounced is like condemning Chas v Shalom |
Yes I realized my mistake, already changed it before saw your post
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hello3
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 9:55 pm
Same here, I’m Israeli, my husband isn’t. My oldest son is, the rest of the kids are not.
I don’t want to make them citizens because of all of the above. I might make them Israelies in the future but it’s an extremely long process. You have to provide documentation that they are YOUR פרי בטן. They force you to bring either a sono from your third trimester or the hospital release papers. This is In ADDITION to the birth certificate and an apostle. Also the process can take up to a year which you can’t travel. I sure hope they cancel this law. It’s so frustrating.
FYI this law was established in 1952 to raise the population but was never enforced up until COVID when they were allowing only citizens into the country and they weren’t sure under which category these kids fall into.
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amother
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 11:01 pm
hello3 wrote: | Same here, I’m Israeli, my husband isn’t. My oldest son is, the rest of the kids are not.
I don’t want to make them citizens because of all of the above. I might make them Israelies in the future but it’s an extremely long process. You have to provide documentation that they are YOUR פרי בטן. They force you to bring either a sono from your third trimester or the hospital release papers. This is In ADDITION to the birth certificate and an apostle. Also the process can take up to a year which you can’t travel. I sure hope they cancel this law. It’s so frustrating.
FYI this law was established in 1952 to raise the population but was never enforced up until COVID when they were allowing only citizens into the country and they weren’t sure under which category these kids fall into. |
what. never heard of this. my husband just told me today it will take 10 days to register our children at the consulate. Dont need sono or anything. They are israeli because he is israeli
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amother
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Sun, Jul 11 2021, 11:03 pm
So aside for army service which can get an exemption for, no one has said any valid reason not to register them. think ill go ahead with it
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