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amother
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Mon, May 15 2023, 4:38 pm
My oven is fleshigs but I'd like to make cheesecake. Is there a way to do that? Can I self clean it, make the cheesecake (and maybe a few other milchig things once I'm at it) and then self clean again and use for fleshigs?
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amother
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Mon, May 15 2023, 4:39 pm
Sure. The same way an oven can be kashered for pesach, which is much more chamur.
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amother
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Mon, May 15 2023, 4:40 pm
Please speak to your LOR about this. Each oven is different and there are different opinions.
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zaq
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Mon, May 15 2023, 5:05 pm
Self-cleaning is self-kashering, even for Pesach. Enjoy your cheesecake.
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Mon, May 15 2023, 5:07 pm
Make sure the oven is clean from food residue and put it up to broil for 30 minutes.
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Mon, May 15 2023, 5:07 pm
We hold that if the oven is clean you can wait 24 hours or put it on the highest temperature for 40 minutes, then use for dairy. Ask your LOR.
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ra_mom
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Mon, May 15 2023, 5:12 pm
amother OP wrote: | My oven is fleshigs but I'd like to make cheesecake. Is there a way to do that? Can I self clean it, make the cheesecake (and maybe a few other milchig things once I'm at it) and then self clean again and use for fleshigs? |
Yes. But I wouldn't self clean twice. You'll kill the oven.
To kasher it back, clean oven, keep cold 24 hours, turn to 550 to kasher for 40 minutes (libun kal).
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Mon, May 15 2023, 5:29 pm
Of course it can be done but speak to your LOR to get the details how to do it.
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farmom
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Mon, May 15 2023, 5:32 pm
Speak to your LOR, not everyone holds that things can be kashered from fleishig to milchig and vice versa
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Mon, May 15 2023, 6:14 pm
Imamothers are not Dayonim or Rabonim.
Please consult with your LOR who will give you the correct guidance you need.
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chicco
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Mon, May 15 2023, 6:31 pm
While I agree with the importance of going to one's rabbi with questions, the OP asked a very basic halachic question. Women who know the halacha are allowed to share it. That isn't considered paskening. It is the same as if she asked if a meaty knife used to cut an onion makes the onion meaty. The halacha doesn't change, and knowledgeable women are allowed to share it.
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JenniferK
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Mon, May 15 2023, 6:33 pm
We make sure the oven is clean - put on broil for an hour to switch between milchig and fleishig, vice versa.
Same for pesach.
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zaq
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Mon, May 15 2023, 7:17 pm
farmom wrote: | Speak to your LOR, not everyone holds that things can be kashered from fleishig to milchig and vice versa |
You don't need to. Unless you don't trust the Star-K?
https://www.star-k.org/article.....vered)%20dairy%20item%20in%20it.&text=It%20is%20not%20necessary%20to,be%20clean)%20to%20cool%20down.
Snippets from this article--it's long:
If a meat oven is clean, one may bake a dry, uncovered (or covered) dairy item in it. It is not necessary to first kasher the oven or wait 24 hours. If one wants to bake a dry, uncovered dairy item immediately after cooking meat, one should first wait for the oven (which must be clean) to cool down.
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Mon, May 15 2023, 7:45 pm
chicco wrote: | While I agree with the importance of going to one's rabbi with questions, the OP asked a very basic halachic question. Women who know the halacha are allowed to share it. That isn't considered paskening. It is the same as if she asked if a meaty knife used to cut an onion makes the onion meaty. The halacha doesn't change, and knowledgeable women are allowed to share it. |
On this thread op has received different opinions about what to do, when in doubt ask
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Mon, May 15 2023, 7:46 pm
zaq wrote: | You don't need to. Unless you don't trust the Star-K?
https://www.star-k.org/article.....vered)%20dairy%20item%20in%20it.&text=It%20is%20not%20necessary%20to,be%20clean)%20to%20cool%20down.
Snippets from this article--it's long:
If a meat oven is clean, one may bake a dry, uncovered (or covered) dairy item in it. It is not necessary to first kasher the oven or wait 24 hours. If one wants to bake a dry, uncovered dairy item immediately after cooking meat, one should first wait for the oven (which must be clean) to cool down. |
Just saying a lot of people don’t hold by them
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Mon, May 15 2023, 7:53 pm
My rav told me not to do it . He said that as a one time thing it’s ok. But not more than that , as a person can get used to going back and forth and forget whether you switched it to milk or meat . It’s more complicated than switching from treif to kosher or from chometz to Pesach.
My son learned this in yeshiva too with a different rav.
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Mon, May 15 2023, 7:55 pm
There are a some people who don't Kasher meat to milk and visa versa- and only Kasher in kosher and kosher and kosher to pesach. So need to see if u have that minhag. Another option is to buy a cheap toaster oven for milk. Then u can cook milchik anytime, not just for Shavuos. Most people I know with only one oven do it that way. (Buy a toaster own that fits a 9x13 pan) some even fit two pans bc they have two shelves)
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amother
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Mon, May 15 2023, 8:21 pm
Highstrung wrote: | My rav told me not to do it . He said that as a one time thing it’s ok. But not more than that , as a person can get used to going back and forth and forget whether you switched it to milk or meat . It’s more complicated than switching from treif to kosher or from chometz to Pesach.
My son learned this in yeshiva too with a different rav. |
That’s a recommendation not really the Halacha
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amother
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Mon, May 15 2023, 8:23 pm
I personally only do it for shavous because doing it regularly I would for sure forget if it’s meat or dairy currently . But that’s my own sensitivity and not halacha. My rav told me I need to leave the oven unused for fleishigs for 24 hours and then run it on the highest temp for about 20 minutes. Same for switching it back.
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amother
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Mon, May 15 2023, 8:24 pm
Girl@Heart wrote: | Make sure the oven is clean from food residue and put it up to broil for 30 minutes. |
This is by far not a blanket ruling. Everyone does differently, OP must ask her own Rav.
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