Brain playing the vaccine what if game ...

amother

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:00 pm

DrMom wrote:

Why do you suspect that covid vaccines impact reproduction?

Do you think this way about other vaccines?

Also, do you engage in any behaviors and practices for which there is some scientific evidence of a fertility impact (using cellphones, wearing tight underwear, eating processed foods, living in urban environments)?

Not saying whether to get vaccinated or not, but just trying to put the choice in perspective.

Thank you! I am looking for perspective.

amother

Saddlebrown

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:01 pm

Long term effects from covid are reversible. Deaths, especially in the young, are becoming more and more preventable. Any adverse effects from this vaccine are going to be forever. And no, we don’t yet know what they are. Fertility is just as suspect as any other system in the body being affected. We just don’t know.

amother

Dodgerblue

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:03 pm

Covid seems to be more of a risk for people with risk factors, while the vaccine is more of a risk to healthy people. I get that this is a shalom bayis issue. My husband is also in the medical field.

amother

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:05 pm

FranticFrummie wrote:

Or she may get a mild case of Covid, and still have long term effects. Or she could be asymptomatic, and be a silent carrier who infects everyone around her - including people with health issues and the elderly. Or she could be one of the rare cases where a perfectly healthy young person suddenly takes a turn for the worse and dies.

These are all things that we know for a FACT have happened in the past.

Actually, dh is still having side effects from the vaccine. Still extremely exhausted and had a reaction in his arm- his elbow is swollen- it looks like a ping pong ball is in his elbow- it is very odd. DH says he would still get the vaccine even with the way he is feeling. He thinks if this is the side effect of the vaccine- what would have been like if he actually got the virus.

amother

Aubergine

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:05 pm

amother [ Saddlebrown ] wrote:

My daughter has been bedridden for 6 months now. They have no idea how to cure her and there are thousands of other young people in the same boat. So no, the long term effects are NOT reversible. She's 16. She should have been enjoying 11th grade with her friends. Instead she can barely stand to take a shower
Open your eyes! You're being brainwashed by anti-vax monsters

amother

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:05 pm

amother [ Papaya ] wrote:

I had covid when pregnant and lost the baby mid pregnancy. No choices are perfect but I took the vaccine because I can't go through that again.

Oy- I am so sorry.

amother

Aubergine

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:07 pm

amother [ Dodgerblue ] wrote:

Covid seems to be more of a risk for people with risk factors, while the vaccine is more of a risk to healthy people. I get that this is a shalom bayis issue. My husband is also in the medical field.

My daughter was a perfectly healthy 16 year old before she got covid. So was my neighbor.

amother

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:07 pm

amother [ Aubergine ] wrote:

oh no! Refuah shelaimah!!

amother

Papaya

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:10 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

These are typical reactions. After I took the vaccine I was fatigued for a week. But when I had the actual virus the fatigue was way worse and I suffered for months.

FranticFrummie

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:11 pm

OP, please base your decisions on the facts and statistics that are available.

Nothing in life is risk free, not even brushing your teeth. You might develop a sudden allergy to your toothpaste, or you might choke on your toothbrush, or you might accidentally swallow instead of spit.

Every single decision you make in life, from the time you wake up in the morning, is a risk/reward decision. No decision will be perfect, but some will be a whole lot better than others.

Basing your decisions on worry, emotions, rumors, and conspiracy theories is not a very productive way to go through life.

Besides, your daughter is over 18, so it's not really your choice to make anyway.

amother

Saddlebrown

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:11 pm

amother [ Aubergine ] wrote:

So sad

Post infectious syndromes aren’t new, yet the mainstream medical community has been denying they exist and refusing to treat for years. Start poking around in alternative circles. Functional medicine is a good place to start. You will find many more answers there. What are her symptoms?

amother

Sapphire

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:13 pm

FranticFrummie wrote:

How do you know that every single person OP's daughter comes in contact with has been vaccinated?

Why does OP's daughter get to skip the vaccine and count on everyone else doing their due diligence? What about the people who cannot get the vaccine for various preexisting conditions?

I'm not making light of the struggles of people who have infertility, but right now there is no proven link - it's all anecdote.

So right now I know of no people who are high risk or elderly or preexsisting conditions that have been told they cannot take the vaccine. If you want it, you can get it once it is available to your category.

I think if you are concerned for the continuation of peru urvu, of the torah, some of the young must not be included in the trials. We must protect all outcomes for the future.

Ok, if some take it and some do not it maybe is better odds for the future of the world. So maybe it is best if each half does different.

amother

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:14 pm

FranticFrummie wrote:

Can I hide under my covers???

True dd is an adult, but has asked my opinion- of course I did not share my concern with her- as unrealistic as it is. I am not an ativaxxer, but I can tell you even though I know all the science and data behind the childhood vaccines, I still held my breath..

FranticFrummie

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:17 pm

amother [ Saddlebrown ] wrote:

Long term effects from covid are reversible.

Really?

I had Covid over a year ago, and I still have heart damage, weak lungs, and I'm at a high risk for stroke. I can barely walk up even a very gentle slope without huffing and puffing like a 3 pack a day smoker. I've never had that before.

In your expert medical opinion, when are these long term effects going to reverse themselves? I'd really love to know.

amother

Olive

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:17 pm

Simply put, the vaccines are not FDA approved because they have not completed the required testing. The trials were on healthy, low risk people. The animal studies were limited. The time period was limited.

This isn't about rumor, it's about risking what we don't know. There's a reason these tests are required in order to obtain FDA approval. Comprehensive tests on pregnant women were not performed.

At this time, we simply do not know what side effects are or aren't likely. Once again, that's why we...have an FDA. That's why the FDA didn't yet issue approval.

amother

Sapphire

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:19 pm

amother [ Aubergine ] wrote:

My teen had this after a virus a number of years ago. It was terrible. We went from Dr to dr and searched for answers.

They are reversible, you just have not found the right shaliach yet. If you post your general location maybe people can point you to someone who can help. It will be somewhat off the beaten path, but there is help. Please do not give up. She iyh will be okay again.

amother

Saddlebrown

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:21 pm

FranticFrummie wrote:

First off, you are significantly older than ops daughter and have pre exisicting conditions, so the risk/benefit equation is different for you. Second of all, I didn’t say reverse themselves, I said reversible. May need aggressive treatment, but with targeted precision medicine much healing can be achieved. Not that any mainstream dr will help you with this. They are too busy with statistics and evidence ( and saving lives ) to think outside the box.

amother

Aubergine

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:25 pm

amother [ Sapphire ] wrote:

We have been to dozens of specialists
NY area.
They shrug and say that the research is ongoing. They have no idea how to cure her yet.
My neighbor had been hospitalized with seizures multiple times. (She's 15)

Save yourselves and your children people! If you're offered the vaccine GRAB IT!!!

amother

Olive

Wed, Mar 31 2021, 11:32 pm

Surprised no one mentioned Astra Zeneca. Should we grab that, too, if we have the chance? Many countries have now advised it not be given to anyone UNDER 55. This is in contradiction to the initial guidance that it's safer for younger people.

Of course, that was before they noticed the deadly clots complication. Which is still not fully understood as to what triggers it, and whether the mRNA vaccines pose similar risk.