To the anti vaxers, did you vaccinate?

amother

Aquamarine

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:28 am

amother [ Wine ] wrote:

No you don't. You want to disprove it.

TBH, though, it is not just me. It is DH and a couple of other concerned parents we know.
If you truly want to hear about it, though, I can do so one-on-one. It is too much for me to post it all here.

I'm genuinely curious on what you are studying - and have zero interesting in disproving anything. Have you published results? What would I even be disproving - it sounds like the study is happening now.

High level - what is the objective of the study?

amother

Wine

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:31 am

amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:

I saw your concerns, and I know your religion.

I actually have many concerns. You saw but one sentence of a much larger issue. Yes you do know my religion, but you don't know about my religious beliefs. Not with vaccines, not with music, not with dress, not with many other aspects of Judiasm.

My RE ties in very specifically with what is known (and unknown) about vaccines. My RE was written on a table covered 3/4 with seforim, with DH constantly flipping through a mixture older and more contemporary seforim. I took notes while he spoke, and I just stopped him when I got sick of taking notes. Otherwise, the responsa could've been a lot longer.

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:32 am

amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:

bring some evidence of the refusal - and we can discuss it.

The Institute of Medicine (IOM) has repeatedly asked CDC to create studies which explain, “How do child health outcomes compare between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated children?”

During a November 2012 Congressional hearing on autism before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Dr. Coleen Boyle, the Director of the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, gave evasive answers to lawmakers pressing her on this point. After considerable badgering, she finally stated, “We have not studied vaccinated versus unvaccinated [children].”
https://www.transcend.org/tms/.....arch/

HR1757 aka "The Vaccine Safety Study Act" would mandate the government do a RETROSPECTIVE study of health outcomes of vaccinated vs unvaccinated children.
This bill was never voted on because Pharmaceutical Industry is the biggest
Briber (donor) to Congress.

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:35 am

keym wrote:

https://www.imamother.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=369853&start=140#4634349
Here you seem to be convinced that increasing vaccinations have increased autism

Yes. But not ONLY autism.

There are many chronic illnesses and disabilities associated with vaccines:

adhd, learning disabilities, allergies, asthma, epilepsy, diabetes, etc.

amother

Aquamarine

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:36 am

#BestBubby wrote:

The Institute of Medicine (IOM) has repeatedly asked CDC to create studies which explain, “How do child health outcomes compare between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated children?”

Are you referring to the organization that has been called the National Academy of Medicine since 2015?

Do you just take everything that Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. says as gospel?

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:37 am

amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:

Guess what? A super duper republican NY government would also not be in the business of doing vaccine studies.

But Republicans are less likely to FORCE vaccines on everyone.

Democrats = Government Tyranny

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:41 am

keym wrote:

For someone who's anti "government control and interference" you sure expect the Government to take a lot of responsibility.

I'm OK with Government NOT doing any medical studies as long as Government doesn't force me or my kids to take "medical" treatment against my will!

amother

Aquamarine

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:45 am

#BestBubby wrote:

But Republicans are less likely to FORCE vaccines on everyone.

Democrats = Government Tyranny

there are vaccine mandates for schools in the vast majority if not all of the states. Including the Republican ones.

amother

Aquamarine

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:48 am

#BestBubby wrote:

I'm OK with Government NOT doing any medical studies as long as Government doesn't force me or my kids to take "medical" treatment against my will!

why are you demanding a study then?

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:53 am

amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:

why are you demanding a study then?

Because Government is FORCING Vaccinations.

If you're going to FORCE people to be vaccinated, the LEAST you can do
is prove it's safe, don't you think???

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:56 am

amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:

there are vaccine mandates for schools in the vast majority if not all of the states. Including the Republican ones.

I think all but 5 states have religious and/or personal exemptions.
No Republican states have abolished religious or personal exemptions.

Not saying it won't happen. Republicans take bribes (donations) from Pharmaceutical industry, too.

southernbubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 12:57 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Well the Vaccine Industry and the CDC are not "neutral" on vaccines - but we are supposed to believe their "Holy" studies.

There are millions of satisfied customers.

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 1:10 am

southernbubby wrote:

There are millions of satisfied customers.

Then let the satisfied customers keep vaxxing.

Don't force parents who already have one vaccine-injured child to vaccinate
their healthy unvaccinated children who are at greater risk of vaccine injury!
Which is what the Government is doing.

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amother

Aquamarine

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 1:26 am

#BestBubby wrote:

The pharmaceutical industry doesn't care about the RE.

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 1:30 am

amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:

The pharmaceutical industry doesn't care about the RE.

The Pharmaceutical Industry has been bribing (donating) state officials to
remove Religious Exemptions.

amother

Aquamarine

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 1:32 am

#BestBubby wrote:

Because Government is FORCING Vaccinations.

If you're going to FORCE people to be vaccinated, the LEAST you can do
is prove it's safe, don't you think???

you are not being forced.

amother

Aquamarine

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 1:33 am

#BestBubby wrote:

The Pharmaceutical Industry has been bribing (donating) state officials to
remove Religious Exemptions.

What makes you think so?

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 1:38 am

amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:

you are not being forced.

When your children are denied daycare/school if not vaccinated, that is force.

When adults are being fired if they refuse vaccination, that is force.

And many states force home-schooled kids to vax as well.

And government is taking away the right of doctors to give medical exemptions.

Tyranny.

#BestBubby

Wed, Sep 11 2019, 2:01 am

amother [ Aquamarine ] wrote:

this was interesting. https://www.newyorker.com/maga.....asles as was https://www.wired.com/story/fe.....klyn/

In your first article about how wonderful vaccines are, did you notice this paragraph?

Zucker asked Newfield what his greatest challenges were. Newfield and the camp pediatrician gave each other a knowing look, and Newfield said, “The volume of prescribed medication.” He painted a familiar picture of a teen and preteen pharmacopoeia. “It’s mind-boggling and sad for us.”

So the camp doctor was shocked by how many CHRONICALLY ILL children there are who are taking prescription drugs. But no one connects that to the vaccines they
are pushing. Ironic, isn't it?