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fleetwood

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 6:20 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

As an avid vaccine defender can you answer the OP and not answer to the conspiracies here?

I'm not defending the vaccine..just wished these threads against the vaccine would stop. If you don't want to vaccinate then don't...I honestly don't care.

As for the o.p...My neighbor in NY does testing..every recent positive was by an unvaccinated patient. Not sure which variant though. Personally,I know three people in the hospital sick with covid..all unvaccinated. One had it twice..tested positive twice

amother

Melon

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 6:23 pm

southernbubby wrote:

There are some different characteristics of the Delta variant than from the original virus.

What are those differences? Is it showing up differently for vaccinated and non-vaccinated people? Or is it a result of the vaccine that it comes across differently but really is the same?

southernbubby

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 6:34 pm

Because I don't know how to link, here is the whole thing;

Coronavirus Variants: Difference Between Delta, Delta Plus, Lambda And Kappa COVID Variants
TIMESOFINDIA.COM | Last updated on - Jul 12, 2021, 12:16 IST
01/6Difference between Delta, Delta Plus, Lambda and Kappa variants

Ever since the origin of the COVID-19, the virus has mutated several times. Every multiplication gives rise to new questions regarding the severity and infectiousness of the virus. The Delta variant of the coronavirus, which emerged in India, was more infectious than the original one and was mainly responsible for the second wave in the country. It further mutated to form the Delta Plus variant, branded as a "variant of concern". Besides, there are other profoundly contagious variants like Lambda and Kappa that have raised red alerts. Let's have a look at how these variants are different from one another.

02/6Delta Variant

Delta variant or B.1.617.2 is a sub-lineage of B.1.617 virus, detected in India earlier this year. Studies suggest that this mutant virus is more transmissible than contemporary lineages, due to which the World Health Organization (WHO) has categorised it as a variant of concern (VOC). This variant virus has significantly high transmissibility and has accounted for the outbreak in several other countries. Besides, it also causes more severe symptoms than the original strain of the virus. Research also suggests that vaccines available to treat COVID are eight times less effective against this variant. The cases of the Delta variant have also been reported in the UK and Israel.

03/6Delta Plus variant

Delta Plus variant is the subdivision of Delta variant originated in India. It was first found in Maharashtra and was responsible for a majority of COVID infections. It is suspected to trigger the third wave of COVID-19 in the western state as the mutant virus can also lead to severe symptoms and hospitalisation. Apart from the primary symptoms, Delta plus variant can cause stomach aches, nausea, appetite loss, vomiting. Its long term effects include joint pains and hearing impairment. The Delta plus variant has been found in nine other countries across the world apart from India. Cases of the Delta Plus variant have been reported in the UK, Portugal, Switzerland, Poland, Japan, Nepal, China, India and Russia.

04/6Kappa Variant

The Kappa variant, also known as B.1.167.1, was first detected in India in October 2020. It is a double mutant strain of coronavirus as it is made up of two viral types- E484Q mutation and L452R mutation. The E484Q mutation is identical to the E484K mutation identified in Brazilian and South African variants of concern, while the L452R mutation, which originated in California evades our immune system's natural defences. Due to its complex nature, the WHO has identified it as a "variant of interest". Research suggests that the Kappa variant's antibody has neutralising capabilities and may reduce the effectiveness for both vaccines and immunity generated from natural infections. It may also lead to varied symptoms like rashes, high fever, runny nose and watery eyes.

05/6Lambda Variant

The WHO last week has also termed the Lambda variant as a 'variant of interest'. Originated in Peru, this variant has been detected in more than 30 countries in the past four weeks, predominately in South America. The cases from the newly detected variant of the coronavirus have not yet been detected in India. It is formed by significant alterations of variants such as L452Q and F490S, which makes this variant more worrisome. As the Lambda variant has been recently detected, there is no proof if it can cause more severe infection than other mutants or if it responds to treatments.

06/6COVID

Copyright © 2021 Bennett, Coleman & Co. Ltd. All rights reserved.For reprint rights: Times Syndication Service
The Times of India

amother

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 6:57 pm

fleetwood wrote:

You’re the first person from well over 100 people whom I asked about this out of Imamother , to say these numbers, so it doesn’t answer the uncertain information we are receiving.

fleetwood

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 7:10 pm

amother [ OP ] wrote:

You’re the first person from well over 100 people whom I asked about this out of Imamother , to say these numbers, so it doesn’t answer the uncertain information we are receiving.

This is my first hand knowledge..I can't answer about any other information you are receiving.

amother

Melon

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 7:17 pm

southernbubby wrote:

This doesnt answer the question I asked. How does anyone know that people are being diagnosed with the delta variant? It would makes sense if you say that viruses mutate because they need a host and if vaccinated people are protected from the original one then they are the ones who are getting delta. But the claim is that non-vaccinated people are getting covid now so how do we know that they are getting delta instead of the original? What kind of test is there to differentiate between the two variants?
And dont say that delta is more contagious or has more severe symptoms because the original covid was so contagious and had such severe symptoms that we had not one, but two lockdowns and thousands of people died. And viruses that mutate are not more severe than the original virus. So how do we now know that people are getting delta and whether its really the non-vaccinated people who are getting it at a higher rate than vaccinated people?

amother

Peachpuff

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 7:29 pm

Why do you believe that the data being collected by our states’ public health departments and reported to the CDC is false? What is the basis for that belief? The media reports in the mainstream publications all cite to such data. What makes it not believable? Their jobs, literally, are to help people stay healthy.

For a mathematical explanation of why “so many” of the people testing positive in Israel are vaccinated, see this report in the Jerusalem Post:

https://m.jpost.com/health-sci.....74444

And here is a discussion of how those who have been hospitalized are faring—the vaccinated patients are doing much better on average than the unvaccinated (consistent with reports of how patients are faring in America as well):

https://m.jpost.com/health-sci.....74508

And here’s a piece regarding vaccinated people who test positive being much less likely to spread covid than those who are unvaccinated:

https://m.jpost.com/health-sci.....74208

amother

Melon

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 7:44 pm

amother [ Peachpuff ] wrote:

The problem with Israel is that they were in multiple lockdowns and many people never got covid the first time so now there are many people who are getting sick for the first time but are already vaccinated so how do we know that they are getting delta? Maybe they are just getting covid for the first time and the vaccines just dont work. And their govt banned HCQ and other life saving medications so its impossible to know if vaccinated people are better off than the non-vaccinated people.

And the problem with trusting the cdc is because they are playing games and manipulating numbers which we have been seeing for a while now. So just bc they say that people are getting delta now doesnt mean that this is the truth. How do they know that people are getting delta? Are there different tests? And are the doctors allowed to give HCQ and other life saving medications or are people just being intubated even though we already know from the start that its not the right way to treat covid? Are patients with the vaccine being treated differently than patients who didnt get the vaccine?

ETA: we are hearing reports of people getting covid on fully vaccinated cruise ship and airplanes etc so its not valid to claim that vaccinated people dont spread covid on a greater level than non-vaccinated.

amother

Latte

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 8:03 pm

amother [ Melon ] wrote:

We don't know its delta. The regular swab doesn't test for it. Call cdc or the lab to confirm this.

amother

Seashell

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 8:18 pm

amother [ Latte ] wrote:

We don't know its delta. The regular swab doesn't test for it. Call cdc or the lab to confirm this.

The cdc and lab test every swab for what variant it is?

amother

Hosta

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 8:24 pm

Can someone please answer me why those who had covid previously are being recommended to be vaccinated?

It seems to me that only a tiny tiny percentage of people get covid twice, yet a higher number of those vaccinated are getting covid. So having covid previously seems.to provide a higher defense than the vaccine.

southernbubby

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 8:36 pm

Apparently sewage can be checked for specific types of Covid.

southernbubby

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 8:59 pm

Ok, I just read a lot about it. Out of all the PCR tests done in each county, those with high viral loads are sent to the state for sequencing which takes two weeks. The patient is not informed about this because the treatment is the same regardless of the variant.

taketwo

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 8:59 pm

Am I the only one who believes the vaccine is meant to prevent people from dying, not necessarily from testing positive? Scratching Head

amother

Seashell

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 9:02 pm

taketwo wrote:

Am I the only one who believes the vaccine is meant to prevent people from dying, not necessarily from testing positive? Scratching Head

Then why require it for schools and employment? Can't people take the assumed risk for their own lives?

amother

Latte

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 9:06 pm

taketwo wrote:

Am I the only one who believes the vaccine is meant to prevent people from dying, not necessarily from testing positive? Scratching Head

That's not what we were told originally. For example, pfizer initially claimed that the vaccine had a 95% success rate for not contracting covid at all.

taketwo

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 9:09 pm

amother [ Seashell ] wrote:

Then why require it for schools and employment? Can't people take the assumed risk for their own lives?

So that those who are not immune because of auto immune disease or who are not able to take the vaccine from taking that risk. Some people don't want to risk dying.

amother

Seashell

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 9:10 pm

taketwo wrote:

So that those who are not immune because of auto immune disease or who are not able to take the vaccine from taking that risk. Some people don't want to risk dying.

But taking the vaccine doesn't prevent you from giving it to them!! We just established that. If you test positive, you can give it to the immunocomprised!

southernbubby

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 9:11 pm

amother [ Melon ] wrote:

India and China greatly manipulated the numbers of deaths but I am not sure what was in the best interest of countries that were not paying Pfizer to prohibit oral medications. China came out with a vaccine that was proven to be lame and is probably not being used anymore.

taketwo

Thu, Jul 22 2021, 9:11 pm

amother [ Latte ] wrote:

That's not what we were told originally. For example, pfizer initially claimed that the vaccine had a 95% success rate for not contracting covid at all.

Are you sure? Symptomatic or asymptomatic covid? Did they differentiate? I don't recall that claim. I recall the claim of preventing SERIOUS illness and death in 97%.