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 Thu, Feb 08 2024, 10:42 am
| amother White wrote: | | You’re getting a bit carried away. Someone who is in tune with their body and drinks when their body sends signals is a healthier adult both in mind and spirit. This only helps their marriage or working capabilities. There is no medal given to one who doesn’t drink all day. This is an old fashioned mindset. |
White/OP do you work in the professional secular world?
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 10:47 am
| amother Wheat wrote: | It's nothing to do with making it appealing and also nothing new. Years ago the school lunches came with milk or juice. I think it was around the time that Michelle Obama had her healthy food initiatives that they switched to water bottles, because her initiative was all about reducing calories.
And there have always been water fountains in schools pretty much as soon as there was running water installed. Kids started bringing water bottles probably 20 years ago when reusable containers became popular and people got squicky about communal fountains. Schools came up with policies to handle that but that's on an individual district or school basis and plenty of teachers have the kids put the water on a shelf and ask permission to drink from it during class. It's just in lieu of getting a drink from a fountain because most people don't see that as a sanitary option anymore. And btw, as someone who works in a school, I'd never use a communal water cooler to refill my bottle. I see what the kids do on a regular basis, including putting their fingers up the spigot, drinking straight from the spigot, etc. Lol. It's no more sanitary than a communal water fountain although the water may technically be a bit cleaner if they are worried about old pipes (which is why my school got the coolers in the first place). |
Please go through the second CDC report in it’s entirety. You can watch the video modules that are targeted for the schools on how they can promote water and drinking amongst the students.
There is a real push to make it easy and appealing and for the staff to be part of that effort.
If you are a public school teacher you should watch the modules.
Good luck.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:03 am
| amother White wrote: | Please go through the second CDC report in it’s entirety. You can watch the video modules that are targeted for the schools on how they can promote water and drinking amongst the students.
There is a real push to make it easy and appealing and for the staff to be part of that effort.
If you are a public school teacher you should watch the modules.
Good luck. |
The CDC is just a branch that gives recommended guidelines. It has nothing to do with actual laws. Now, as a concerned citizen, you can lobby your local government representative to put together a bill about water for students in school and see if they can get enough votes to pass it along and maybe it will eventually get signed into law.
The law about water at lunches is tied to getting federal money for lunches, so technically if a school doesn't use that money they wouldn't need to provide water with the food-- just explaining why the law in this case is not as encompassing as you are trying to make it sound.
Of course the CDC is putting out videos and such as they stay need to stay relevant so they continue to get funded. I know lots of government employee friends and relatives, and that's the way it works. There are lobbyists behind this, too (likely water bottling companies and the like) giving money for these initiatives to be promoted.
I really am not worried about the vast majority of students not drinking enough water. They are just fine, and if they need to wait a few minutes to get a drink it's not any different than if they are with their parents and don't have water in the car and need to wait to pull over to a convenience store to get a drink or the parents tell them to wait until they get home.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:17 am
| amother Wheat wrote: | The CDC is just a branch that gives recommended guidelines. It has nothing to do with actual laws. Now, as a concerned citizen, you can lobby your local government representative to put together a bill about water for students in school and see if they can get enough votes to pass it along and maybe it will eventually get signed into law.
The law about water at lunches is tied to getting federal money, so technically if a school doesn't use that money they wouldn't need to provide water with the food-- just explaining why the law in this case is not as encompassing as you are trying to make it sound.
Of course the CDC is putting out videos and such as they stay need to stay relevant so they continue to get funded. I know lots of government employee friends and relatives, and that's the way it works. There are lobbyists behind this, too (likely water bottling companies and the like) giving money for these initiatives to be promoted.
I really am not worried about the vast majority of students not drinking enough water. They are just fine, and if they need to wait a few minutes to get a drink it's not any different than if they are with their parents and don't have water in the car and need to wait to pull over to a convenience store to get a drink or the parents tell them to wait until they get home. |
I’m not sure why you are being so dismissive. No, you shouldn’t be having your students wait for water until you allow them, that’s not your prerogative.
Most moms I know have water with them or would stop at a convenience store to pick up water if their child is thirsty .
The laws are there to ensure the students have access to water and the modules from the CDC are there to assist teachers such as yourself shift their mindset and assist students in this regard.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:27 am
| amother White wrote: | I’m not sure why you are being so dismissive. No, you shouldn’t be having your students wait for water until you allow them, that’s not your prerogative.
Most moms I know have water with them or would stop at a convenience store to pick up water if their child is thirsty .
The laws are there to ensure the students have access to water and the modules from the CDC are there to assist teachers such as yourself shift their mindset and assist students in this regard. |
There's no law that you claim there is, other than free acess to water. Just means that water is school must be free of charge. Teachers follow their district policies, and there is no universal rule or law as you stated. I'm not being dismissive, I'm just pointing out the inaccuracies of your claims.
BTW if the mom is driving on the highway and the water spilled or she forgot to bring, yes the kids might need to wait some time until they can get to a rest stop with facilities, which is probably way longer than a student might be asked to wait.
Again, if you feel that strongly, you can lobby your local government officials. You may be able to get a bill sponsored. That's part of being a concerned citizen.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:35 am
| amother Wheat wrote: | There's no law that you claim there is, other than free acess to water. Just means that water is school must be free of charge. Teachers follow their district policies, and there is no universal rule or law as you stated. I'm not being dismissive, I'm just pointing out the inaccuracies of your claims.
BTW if the mom is driving on the highway and the water spilled or she forgot to bring, yes the kids might need to wait some time until they can get to a rest stop with facilities, which is probably way longer than a student might be asked to wait.
Again, if you feel that strongly, you can lobby your local government officials. You may be able to get a bill sponsored. That's part of being a concerned citizen. |
There is a law mandating access to water for students. Please read the links posted above and watch the modules in their entirety before responding further.
This quote below is taken from an article in reference to the state of Nj.
State rules require school districts to ensure students have access to safe drinking water.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:43 am
| amother White wrote: | There is a law mandating access to water for students. Please read the links posted above and watch the modules in their entirety before responding further.
This quote below is taken from an article in reference to the state of Nj.
State rules require school districts to ensure students have access to safe drinking water. |
You keep on conflating access to water versus having the ability to drink every minute of the day.
Everyone agrees, including the articles you reference, that water should be readily accessible.
Where the majority disagrees is that a child can't wait a couple of minutes for water. None of the articles you have referenced provides any support for that.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:44 am
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:47 am
| amother White wrote: | There is a law mandating access to water for students. Please read the links posted above and watch the modules in their entirety before responding further.
This quote below is taken from an article in reference to the state of Nj.
State rules require school districts to ensure students have access to safe drinking water. |
Exactly. Access to safe water, I.e. fountains or coolers being available in schools. It doesn't mean it is legally required they must have their water bottle with them at all times and legally be allowed to refill any and every time they want. I keep telling you, that is dependent on district policy. I am sure there are some districts that do have those type of policies. But it is not universal and plenty do not. You can lobby to get that sort of bill sponsored, if you feel that strongly.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:48 am
We don't need these references because no one disagrees that children should have easy access.
What we need references for is that a child sitting in class can't wait a couple of minutes to go get that water that has been made easily accessible to her.
Please provide that.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:48 am
The information posted below is from CHOP’s website. Read the segment that discusses that students should be allowed to drink in class and how you should advocate for that as a parent.
Encourage and enable regular hydration
Dehydration in children is relatively common. Drinking water isn’t the first thing on a busy child’s mind. If a drink isn’t in front of them, children may not notice how thirsty they are until they are nearly dehydrated. So keep water handy when you’re with your child and offer it periodically — every couple of hours, or more often when the air is especially hot in the summer or dry in the winter.
Send your child to school with an easy-to-carry refillable water bottle. Some schools have restrictions on where children can bring bottled water, or whether they must fill their bottles at school, so check the school’s rules. If those rules are too restrictive, become a child health advocate and push the school to allow your child and others to bring a water bottle with them and drink from it during their classes. Research suggests that regular hydration improves children’s enerygy level, focus and thinking.
Some creative ideas:
Make hydration fun for younger children by offering water in colorful cups or with silly, curly straws.
Make infused water to add flavor and variety. Fill a pitcher with water and a few slices of fruit — such as apple, melon, strawberry or orange — and let it sit in the refrigerator for a few hours before serving. Experiment with different fruits, as well as vegetables and herbs. Cucumber-infused water has a refreshing taste, as does water infused with fresh mint. A cinnamon stick adds flavor to fruit infusions.
We also get water through some of the foods we eat, especially fruits and vegetables. That’s one reason a slice of watermelon or a juicy peach can taste so refreshing on a hot summer day. Make sure hydrating foods like fruits and vegetables are a regular part of your child’s diet — for both nutrition and hydration.
How much hydration is enough?
To stay well hydrated, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) offers guidelines that children between ages 1 and 3 years drink 4 cups of beverages per day, including water and milk. Children 4 to 8 years old should aim for 5 cups per day, and older children 7 to 8 cups per day.
So how do you know when a child is dehydrated or when they’ve had enough fluids?
“There’s no single number of drinks that will meet every child’s needs,” says Berry. “Children are different sizes and have different fluid needs from day to day depending on the weather and how active they are. But there is one very easy measure of healthy hydration: the color of their urine.”
Urine that has only a slight hint of color indicates a healthy level of hydration.
Yellow urine is a sign that your child needs to drink more.
Dark yellow or brown urine is a sign of dehydration — a signal that your child needs to drink quite a lot, and soon, to restore the water balance in their body.
Berry suggests that you teach your child to look at the color of their urine when they pee, and adjust their water intake based on what they see.
Other signs of dehydration include headache, nausea, fatigue and even dizziness. But you don’t want your child to wait for those as signals to drink more. At that point they’ll be teetering on the edge of a health emergency.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:50 am
| amother White wrote: | The information posted below is from CHOP’s website. Read the segment that discusses that students should be allowed to drink in class and how you should advocate for that as a parent.
Encourage and enable regular hydration
Dehydration in children is relatively common. Drinking water isn’t the first thing on a busy child’s mind. If a drink isn’t in front of them, children may not notice how thirsty they are until they are nearly dehydrated. So keep water handy when you’re with your child and offer it periodically — every couple of hours, or more often when the air is especially hot in the summer or dry in the winter.
Send your child to school with an easy-to-carry refillable water bottle. Some schools have restrictions on where children can bring bottled water, or whether they must fill their bottles at school, so check the school’s rules. If those rules are too restrictive, become a child health advocate and push the school to allow your child and others to bring a water bottle with them and drink from it during their classes. Research suggests that regular hydration improves children’s enerygy level, focus and thinking.
Some creative ideas:
Make hydration fun for younger children by offering water in colorful cups or with silly, curly straws.
Make infused water to add flavor and variety. Fill a pitcher with water and a few slices of fruit — such as apple, melon, strawberry or orange — and let it sit in the refrigerator for a few hours before serving. Experiment with different fruits, as well as vegetables and herbs. Cucumber-infused water has a refreshing taste, as does water infused with fresh mint. A cinnamon stick adds flavor to fruit infusions.
We also get water through some of the foods we eat, especially fruits and vegetables. That’s one reason a slice of watermelon or a juicy peach can taste so refreshing on a hot summer day. Make sure hydrating foods like fruits and vegetables are a regular part of your child’s diet — for both nutrition and hydration.
How much hydration is enough?
To stay well hydrated, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) offers guidelines that children between ages 1 and 3 years drink 4 cups of beverages per day, including water and milk. Children 4 to 8 years old should aim for 5 cups per day, and older children 7 to 8 cups per day.
So how do you know when a child is dehydrated or when they’ve had enough fluids?
“There’s no single number of drinks that will meet every child’s needs,” says Berry. “Children are different sizes and have different fluid needs from day to day depending on the weather and how active they are. But there is one very easy measure of healthy hydration: the color of their urine.”
Urine that has only a slight hint of color indicates a healthy level of hydration.
Yellow urine is a sign that your child needs to drink more.
Dark yellow or brown urine is a sign of dehydration — a signal that your child needs to drink quite a lot, and soon, to restore the water balance in their body.
Berry suggests that you teach your child to look at the color of their urine when they pee, and adjust their water intake based on what they see.
Other signs of dehydration include headache, nausea, fatigue and even dizziness. But you don’t want your child to wait for those as signals to drink more. At that point they’ll be teetering on the edge of a health emergency. |
So go ahead and advocate for a bill to be sponsored that students should legally be allowed to have their water bottle with them at all times and be able to refill whenever. That's the first step in making a law. It's a process.
You are posting recommended guidelines from a hospital website. That has no bearing on district school policy or government laws.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:52 am
| amother Wheat wrote: | | Exactly. Access to safe water, I.e. fountains or coolers being available in schools. It doesn't mean it is legally required they must have their water bottle with them at all times and legally be allowed to refill any and every time they want. I keep telling you, that is dependent on district policy. I am sure there are some districts that do have those type of policies. But it is not universal and plenty do not. You can lobby to get that sort of bill sponsored, if you feel that strongly. |
The state and federal government mandates accessible water for students. There is support and education ( from the CDC) for the teachers, administrators and districts on how to best implement that.
Why are you so adamant about students needing to wait for water. Why is this something you feel is important to you as a teacher? You don’t need to answer but perhaps something to reflect upon.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:53 am
| amother White wrote: | The information posted below is from CHOP’s website. Read the segment that discusses that students should be allowed to drink in class and how you should advocate for that as a parent.
Encourage and enable regular hydration
Dehydration in children is relatively common. Drinking water isn’t the first thing on a busy child’s mind. If a drink isn’t in front of them, children may not notice how thirsty they are until they are nearly dehydrated. So keep water handy when you’re with your child and offer it periodically — every couple of hours, or more often when the air is especially hot in the summer or dry in the winter.
Send your child to school with an easy-to-carry refillable water bottle. Some schools have restrictions on where children can bring bottled water, or whether they must fill their bottles at school, so check the school’s rules. If those rules are too restrictive, become a child health advocate and push the school to allow your child and others to bring a water bottle with them and drink from it during their classes. Research suggests that regular hydration improves children’s enerygy level, focus and thinking.
Some creative ideas:
Make hydration fun for younger children by offering water in colorful cups or with silly, curly straws.
Make infused water to add flavor and variety. Fill a pitcher with water and a few slices of fruit — such as apple, melon, strawberry or orange — and let it sit in the refrigerator for a few hours before serving. Experiment with different fruits, as well as vegetables and herbs. Cucumber-infused water has a refreshing taste, as does water infused with fresh mint. A cinnamon stick adds flavor to fruit infusions.
We also get water through some of the foods we eat, especially fruits and vegetables. That’s one reason a slice of watermelon or a juicy peach can taste so refreshing on a hot summer day. Make sure hydrating foods like fruits and vegetables are a regular part of your child’s diet — for both nutrition and hydration.
How much hydration is enough?
To stay well hydrated, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) offers guidelines that children between ages 1 and 3 years drink 4 cups of beverages per day, including water and milk. Children 4 to 8 years old should aim for 5 cups per day, and older children 7 to 8 cups per day.
So how do you know when a child is dehydrated or when they’ve had enough fluids?
“There’s no single number of drinks that will meet every child’s needs,” says Berry. “Children are different sizes and have different fluid needs from day to day depending on the weather and how active they are. But there is one very easy measure of healthy hydration: the color of their urine.”
Urine that has only a slight hint of color indicates a healthy level of hydration.
Yellow urine is a sign that your child needs to drink more.
Dark yellow or brown urine is a sign of dehydration — a signal that your child needs to drink quite a lot, and soon, to restore the water balance in their body.
Berry suggests that you teach your child to look at the color of their urine when they pee, and adjust their water intake based on what they see.
Other signs of dehydration include headache, nausea, fatigue and even dizziness. But you don’t want your child to wait for those as signals to drink more. At that point they’ll be teetering on the edge of a health emergency. |
Again - none of it says a child can't wait a couple of minutes during classtime. Can you highlight the text that speaks to this?
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:56 am
| amother Slategray wrote: | | Again - none of it says a child can't wait a couple of minutes during classtime. Can you highlight the text that speaks to this? |
Please reread it in its entirety. It’s states that children should be able to drink throughout the class.
As a teacher allowing a student free access is really not a big deal. I’m not sure why you need to feel that as teacher you should or can be controlling and restricting water access. What does that say about you as a teacher who cares about the student?
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:59 am
If those rules are too restrictive, become a child health advocate and push the school to allow your child and others to bring a water bottle with them and drink from it during their classes. Research suggests that regular hydration improves…
The excerpted text.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 11:59 am
| amother White wrote: | The state and federal government mandates accessible water for students. There is support and education ( from the CDC) for the teachers, administrators and districts on how to best implement that.
Why are you so adamant about students needing to wait for water. Why is this something you feel is important to you as a teacher? You don’t need to answer but perhaps something to reflect upon. |
I honestly don't understand your perspective. No one is adamant that a child need to wait. We are saying that if the circumstances play out occasionally that a child needs to wait, it is ok. It is not an excuse to be rude and disrespectful to anyone just because you need to wait a few minutes to drink.
You're interpreting everything in a very extreme manner. The articles speak to encouraging children to drink more and make water readily accessible. You are interpreting that as a requirement for a child to be able to drink every minute of the day. Similarly, posters here are saying that its ok for a child to have to wait a bit occasionally, if circumstances call for it. You interpret that as being adamant about a child waiting.
Respectfully, is there a reason why you're taking this to the extreme?
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 12:00 pm
| amother White wrote: | The state and federal government mandates accessible water for students. There is support and education ( from the CDC) for the teachers, administrators and districts on how to best implement that.
Why are you so adamant about students needing to wait for water. Why is this something you feel is important to you as a teacher? You don’t need to answer but perhaps something to reflect upon. |
I'm adamant only about accurate information--you should appreciate that in a teacher. There is a lot of ignorance in the frum world sometimes about government and law. The stuff I have been explaining about how laws work/get passed is stuff I taught in second grade, no joke. You should understand that if you want to know how government works, you need to be award of the difference between recommended guidelines, policies, bills, laws, and so on. And nothing you have posted that water bottle automatic refills is law. If you want it to become a law, you need to understand how the process works.
As long as a school has working clean water fountains they are following the law. As was the teacher in op's scenario.
BTW I never once said anything about my personal classroom policy. So don't assume anything.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 12:02 pm
| amother White wrote: | Please reread it in its entirety. It’s states that children should be able to drink throughout the class.
As a teacher allowing a student free access is really not a big deal. I’m not sure why you need to feel that as teacher you should or can be controlling and restricting water access. What does that say about you as a teacher who cares about the student? |
Yep, it says that children should bring water bottles and drink during class. It makes no mention that this is so critical that children must be granted permission to refill bottles during class.
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Thu, Feb 08 2024, 12:03 pm
| amother Slategray wrote: | I honestly don't understand your perspective. No one is adamant that a child need to wait. We are saying that if the circumstances play out occasionally that a child needs to wait, it is ok. It is not an excuse to be rude and disrespectful to anyone just because you need to wait a few minutes to drink.
You're interpreting everything in a very extreme manner. The articles speak to encouraging children to drink more and make water readily accessible. You are interpreting that as a requirement for a child to be able to drink every minute of the day. Similarly, posters here are saying that its ok for a child to have to wait a bit occasionally, if circumstances call for it. You interpret that as being adamant about a child waiting.
Respectfully, is there a reason why you're taking this to the extreme? |
Children don’t need to drink every minute of the day but we the teachers and parents in their life shouldn’t be restricting access. That’s all. It’s a fairly simple concept.
Occasionally life will happen and a child will need to wait but it should never be with intent of control or teaching a child to wait etc.
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