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downsyndrome

Thu, Sep 28 2006, 12:07 pm

chavamom wrote:

downsyndrome wrote:

My medically fragile daughter got the chicken pox vaccine in '04. She now has chicken pox on top of bronchitis! Go figure...

A pediatrician told me this summer 'We've pretty much accepted that the chicken pox vaccine doesn't keep people from getting chicken pox, but it prevents the worst complications'. So much for the reasoning that we were going to vaccinate everyone to keep those who are immunocompromised (and can't get the shot) from getting chicken pox....

Yes, she does B'H have a mild form of chicken pox, even though it has exacerbated her cough symptoms and the pulmonologist just called to tell me that she has to get anti-biotics again (she finished one course last week!), needs nebulizing and chest physical therapy! So, sometimes the complications of a virus are worse than the virus itself!

mommy4

Tue, Oct 10 2006, 9:48 pm

refua shleima for your daughter, Downsyndrome. Did you ever try anything altrnative for your dd since you write that she´s medically fragile? My son had serious respiratory problems , on respirator twice in first year of life, and in conjunction with a pulmonologist, I looked into homeopathy. B"H he is much better.

downsyndrome

Thu, Oct 12 2006, 12:06 am

mommy4 wrote:

I took her to a chiropractor who specializes in holistic approach (the whole body). When he heard her medical history he said that he cannot treat anything that had been surgically corrected and he wholeheartedly agrees with her doctors that with time and growth she will IY"H outgrow her problems.
My daughter was born with a defect called a Trachea-Esophageal Fistula w/Atresia - her esophagus had developed in two parts - the upper part was like a pouch that's closed on the bottom, and it hung suspended in mid-chest, not connected to anything (should be connected to stomach). The lower esophagus was protruding from her stomach and was attached to her trachea!! She was a real mess. When she was 3 days old she had major surgery to correct this and her whole plumbing was redone. B'H the correction was successful and she is a normal child in every way. However, she was left with these respiratory issues, because her trachea is soft and narrower than usual, and because it was operated on. ALL her doctors, across the board, say that she just needs time and to grow bigger and these issues will resolve themselves, B'ezras Hashem Yisboruch.
P.S. Ten days after this surgery, while she was recovering in the NICU, she went into heart failure and it was discovered that she had two large holes in her heart which had gone undetected prior to the esophageal/tracheal surgery. When she was nine weeks old she had open heart surgery to correct that too. Whew!!!

amother

Sun, May 20 2007, 11:28 am

We don't give shots, after spending years doing research. In brief, we are exchanging diseases like measles for autism, cancer, diabetes. Every single study that shows no link between shots and terrible degenerative diseases are invalid due to conflict of interest. This is a universally held concept - in secular law as well as halacha. I am an accountant and the extent cpas have to go to ensure they are free of conflicts of interest borders on the ridiculous. But it's ok for Merck to fund the study "proving" that there is no link between murcery and autism, or that the a board member of GlaxoSmithKline can be married to the state congressman who madates a vaccine produced by GSK to all children of the state. Do you think someone can be impartial when they stand to make or lose one billion dollars? The torah sure doesn't think so. We have halachos that a tzadik can't even judge someone after receiving minor, incidental help from them. But a billion dollars? that's ok!

We've had relatives who were injured from the DPT vaccine, and it was sudden and dramatic, immediately after receiving the vaccine. Naturally, the pedicatrician said it wasn't from the vaccine, and that it must be that we somehow never noticed it. That is a bunch of baloney. The 4 month old who we have pictures of making eye contact lost that ability within minutes of the vaccine. Yet the doctor said it's not from the vaccine, because the company who produces it says it's safe! That makes TONS of sense.

nylon

Sun, May 20 2007, 11:57 am

I've heard that argument and it is 100% bogus.

If it were true the NHS would not mandate vaccines as all it does is cost them money. Socialised medical systems that do not have the same pressure from pharmaceutical companies are as pro-vaccine as the US.

It IS worth knowing that some vaccines are given that may not benefit the baby. HepB is given now because it's easier to vaccinate babies than the populations that are really at risk for it and rotavirus is more of a problem in the Third World. The various meningitis vaccines do not protect against all strains, so you can still get other types.

The other issue is, what happens if we all stop vaccinating? Polio is still endemic in parts of the world. Would we want it to come back?