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amother
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Sat, Dec 08 2018, 9:55 pm
should I bench? (lets say I said mezonos intending to eat a little) but then I ate a lot more. Should I bench now if I said mezonos?
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amother
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Sat, Dec 08 2018, 10:07 pm
What sort of mezzonos? Cake? no. Pizza? You should have washed anyway so yes.
JMHO
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chicco
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Sat, Dec 08 2018, 11:14 pm
Even a cake could be yes. Any pas haba bikisnin. If you eat more than a shiur you should bentch.
Macaroni wouldn't be a problem. Really depends on if what you ate was pas haba bikisnin and how many shiurim you had.
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Iymnok
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 3:00 am
Pizza, for sure.
Even pretzels would be hamotzi if you have enough.
Also if you are kovea seuda on it, then even only a k'zayis is enough. The amount is also dependent on how much Meeks that person feel full.
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dankbar
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 3:26 am
It depends. Chassidishe people usually make Mezonos on pizza & don't bentch. Litvish people don't hold of the whole idea of mezonos on pizza, pita, buns or rolls, or Mezonos bread. If sit down to meal people will sometimes wash on pizza.
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Iymnok
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 4:41 am
dankbar wrote: | It depends. Chassidishe people usually make Mezonos on pizza & don't bentch. Litvish people don't hold of the whole idea of mezonos on pizza, pita, buns or rolls, or Mezonos bread. If sit down to meal people will sometimes wash on pizza. |
And they are all relying on a psak of Rav Moshe based on a time when there was one pizza shop in NY that people went to after melave Malka as a snack. (Based on how DH read the tshuva)
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amother
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 5:36 am
Id be very curious to know if *anyone* on this board ever bentched (not just al hamichya) after eating just a lot of cake (or donuts).
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Iymnok
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 7:46 am
amother wrote: | Id be very curious to know if *anyone* on this board ever bentched (not just al hamichya) after eating just a lot of cake (or donuts). |
You never wash or bentching for boiled or deep fried regardless of the quantity.
Most people won’t wash or bentching when they should do to ignorance or laziness.
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dankbar
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 7:56 am
Cake/donuts are considered snack. Pizza is considered meal so could be diff
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cnc
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 8:41 am
amother wrote: | What sort of mezzonos? Cake? no. Pizza? You should have washed anyway so yes.
JMHO
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I learned that you only wash for two slices.
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chocolate moose
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 2:20 pm
Iymnok wrote: | And they are all relying on a psak of Rav Moshe based on a time when there was one pizza shop in NY that people went to after melave Malka as a snack. (Based on how DH read the tshuva) |
People also rely on a psak he gave about using Cholov Stam.
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zaq
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 3:13 pm
chocolate moose wrote: | People also rely on a psak he gave about using Cholov Stam. |
And so? What are you insinuating?
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amother
Wheat
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Sun, Dec 09 2018, 3:20 pm
Chassidish here and we wash for pizza if we're eating it as a meal. That's halacha AFAIK, I don't where chassidus would come into the equation.
We hold that if you say mezonos with the intention of eating just a little as a snack, but then ending up eating more, you are required to say birchas hamazon.
I hope you enjoyed your meal
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dankbar
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Mon, Dec 10 2018, 11:31 am
Chassidishe people don't do that bc of r' moshe. The bakeries specifically put in apple juice or orange juice to make doughs mezonos
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dankbar
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Mon, Dec 10 2018, 11:32 am
Litvish people dont hold of mezonos doughs for pizza, pita, bread.
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dankbar
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Mon, Dec 10 2018, 11:34 am
Chassidish people drink cholov yisroel. Some litvish people drink cholov stam based on r moshe psak that in US there is no such thing as cholov akim & in places where cholov yisroel is hard to come by they rely on his leniency
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Iymnok
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Mon, Dec 10 2018, 12:02 pm
I mentioned Rav Moshe since it seems that there are chassidim relying on his psak. I don’t know how common that is.
Milk r juice in the dough in place of water only helps Ashkenazim and not always. It’s still hamotzi if you are kove'a seuda on it. Kove'a seuda is not just a decision, it’s what you do. If you eat enough of it, or have it with a lot of sides then you’ve got yourself into a situation in which you are obligated in burkas hamazon.
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amother
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Mon, Dec 10 2018, 12:39 pm
dankbar wrote: | Chassidishe people don't do that bc of r' moshe. The bakeries specifically put in apple juice or orange juice to make doughs mezonos |
You are right that the dough is essentially mezonos but if you're eating it as a meal, halacha requires that you wash. This has nothing to do with being chassidish or otherwise.
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