Calling Shomrim | Imamother

amother

Papaya

Sat, May 12 2018, 10:20 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

Its clear English is not your native language, and maybe it happens that way in your country, but I will confidently say that no one in the US has ever been arrested and charged with rape because a third party claims that he was told by someone else who told him that a woman said she was mistreated.

The police will ALWAYS interview the victim.

Moreover, even in your scenario, there is no indictment, no trial, no conviction.

english is my language and I live in tristate area. I sed this upthread and u dont havto belive me. until it doesnt happen to u or some1 u know u wudnt belive how messed up the system is. if its easier for u to think im sum nutjob living in botswana , go ahead. but the story im telling u is real and u cant do a/th cuz they saiy arrest means nothing , just means we still need to investigate but in the meantime the name of the accusesd is dragged thru the mud and u and ppl like u who cant beilvei that some1 gets arrested for nothing make it worse. wait for trial to decide.

WhatFor

Sat, May 12 2018, 11:02 pm

amother wrote:

I find it difficult to believe that you were brought into a station and arrested for zexual abuse based solely on false accusations by a third party. But who am I to question the narrative of an anonymous person on the internet, so if that actually happened to you, then I'm sorry you experienced that.

Whatever your personal experience, that has nothing to do with this scenario, in which the police arrested a man after he is said to have incriminated himself during a phone conversation with the victim.

amother

Papaya

Sun, May 13 2018, 6:38 am

WhatFor wrote:

wat do u call incriminate? cuz he said s/th that was vague enuff that they thouht there cud be more or that they cud be used against him? u dont know he said in the convo , we only know he was arrressted based on wat he said. u have no idea if he didt 'confess" as they were hoping so they arresst him to force him 2 talk. or if he apologizesd but he didnt udnerstand what the allegesd victim was talking abt ( she cud have said s/th like 'hurting me' and he thouht it means 1 thing and meantime victim and police udnersttod it to mean rape, ) and they call this 'evidence'. so many things cud have happend , wait for trial to hear facts , if there will evn be a trial cuz after arresst they cud decide to look a little more closer and realize "evidence' they have isnt really evidence and drop charges. all u know is arressted and basiclly deciding if theres smoke thers fire and im saying resrve judgment cuz arresst means zero and there can be smoke w.o fire...

Ema of 5

Sun, May 13 2018, 6:43 am

amother wrote:

I’m having a very hard time understanding your text speak. Can you please try to write words out fully? Maybe that’s why some are having a hard time understanding what you are saying. I’m sure you have a valid point, I just can’t figure out what it is!!

Ema of 5

Sun, May 13 2018, 6:43 am

amother wrote:

amother

Papaya

Sun, May 13 2018, 6:48 am

amother wrote:

my main points r bolded and the rest is giving ex's so noone shud say hows it even possable , im giving ex's how it cud happen. cuz I know that it did happen more than once and cudhappen agaiin. not saying its the case here idk a/th abt this guy but wait , wait , wait till u hear evidence...

amother

Beige

Sun, May 13 2018, 8:11 am

tweety1 wrote:

No worry ladies, we still have shmira. Personally, I tried calling Shomrim on a situation Shomrim said sorry can't help you so I called shmira who were there in a minute. I'm not affiliated with any members from any of them. Just my personal experiences.

My dh used to be part of shomrim. Not sure why they couldn't help but I can tell you that shmirah destroyed many of my shabbos meals and Friday nights by keying in to shomrim radios and playing horrible dirty music. According to halachah if someone is talking on shabbos you can't lower the volume until they stop talking so my children husband and I were exposed to really horrible stuff from them.

WhatFor

Sun, May 13 2018, 9:37 am

amother wrote:

amother

Plum

Sun, May 13 2018, 3:22 pm

SixOfWands wrote:

Serious answer. No, they don't. They conduct an investigation before an arrest is made.

Are they always right? Of course not. Are there errors and corruption and prejudice? You betcha. Do I know if this guy is guilty? No.

But if you're asking me to lay odds as to whether to believe the police or the inevitable "I heard he's innocent ...," I'll go with the police.

You’re wrong. That’s why after he was arrested, the police first searched his home to look for his computer and confiscate his phones, etc.

shiaeisen

Sun, May 13 2018, 3:29 pm

amother wrote:

Weird how many imamothers are insisting this story isn’t true.

Since there’s the concept of innocent until proven guilty, and he hasn’t been convicted of anything, as of now, we have to assume innocence. As frum Jews, we actually have an obligation not to believe the charges at this point.

shiaeisen

Sun, May 13 2018, 3:32 pm

WhatFor wrote:

There are at least two ways she can know that for a fact. She was with the accused or the accuser for every second of every day around the time that these events are alleged to have taken place, witnessed all of their actions, and knows that they didn't occur. In which case I suggest she takes her testimony to the police.

Or she's good friends with the accuser who told her herself that she's making up a story? In which case I highly recommend she records that and takes it to the police.

Otherwise, I suspect the poster meant she has difficulty believing the allegations. But that's very different from knowing for a fact.

Reminds me of when a well know rebbi was accused of abusing boys in Yeshiva, camp, etc. and a woman in my Shul says to me, “ I know him from the Yeshiva and he’d NEVER do anything like that!”

amother

Papaya

Sun, May 13 2018, 3:33 pm

amother wrote:

Maybe it’s because our halacha is that it’s ossur to be mekabeil Lashon Hora!

and also cuz those who know know that arressts means nothing. its hard for ppl to wrap there head arnd the idea that in 2018 in usa a/o can be arressted for a/th , ppl like to think that if they do nothign wrong they are safe. sorry charlie , u can be minding ur own bussinness and suddenly find urself in a holding cell. it sounds dramatic and wrong but its true and I dont care if u dont belive me and continue convincing urself america is a just country but it isnt. I know its easier to think ur safe so it must be that guy did s/th wrong but its not true. all im saying is wait for trial to decide if hes guilty cuz arrest doesnt mean a/th!!!