Question for anti-vaxxers

Ema of 5

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:11 pm

amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:

If someone is really sure about themselves and their ways, they wouldn't be fighting so hard to show that their way is the right way. When people behave like that, it shows that they're not sure of themselves.

The same can be said for pro-vaxxers. Why do they need to fight so hard to get everyone to vaccinate?

amother

Maroon

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:19 pm

amother [ Wheat ] wrote:

What I can’t understand is why anti-vaxxers are happy to believe YouTube videos and the like from unknown, unregulated sources, but they feel that immunologists and those who study vaccines all day are talking nonsense.

Because the media is silencing the doctors and immunologists who are saying anything negative about the vaccine. So they need to find another platform to share their knowledge. Just because mainstream media is publicizing something doesn't make it true. And the people who are anti the vaccine don't have the millions of dollars to promote themselves like the pro vaccine people are getting.

amother

Maroon

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:39 pm

[quote="amother [ Seagreen ]"]This is not the case at all

Seriously? Why are they bribing people with donuts and free food, lotteries, free rides etc? Did u ever hear of anyone getting any incentives to get any medical treatment before?

amother

Seagreen

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:44 pm

[quote="amother [ Maroon ]"]

amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:

This is not the case at all

Seriously? Why are they bribing people with donuts and free food, lotteries, free rides etc? Did u ever hear of anyone getting any incentives to get any medical treatment before?

This discussion isn't about the covid vaccine. It's about the regular vaccines given to kids.

amother

Violet

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:48 pm

Ema of 4 wrote:

The same can be said for pro-vaxxers. Why do they need to fight so hard to get everyone to vaccinate?

Because vaccination success is dependent on herd immunity.

amother

Pewter

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:49 pm

[quote="amother [ Maroon ]"]

amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:

The belief that high vaccination rates in the masses is good for the masses.

amother

Violet

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:51 pm

amother [ Pewter ] wrote:

Here dangerous isn't subjective - its not 'you think this', 'I think this'. For the women screaming from the rooftops its factual that vaccines are dangerous and will harm pregnant women and children.

Like you taking your kids to a playground and you don't know that there is a pack of hungry wolves around the corner, heading in the direction of the slide.

Um.. 1.94 billion went to the playground and 99.999% came back safe and sound - going as far back as 6 months now. The wolves are all in the imagination

flowerpower

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:53 pm

smss wrote:

Ok, so it's a misassessment of risk. You genuinely believe vaccines are riskier than the diseases they prevent.

When it comes to covid- yes..... I am very skeptical about taking it. A young woman in ey dropped dead yesterday. She was healthy. I think it may have been clots resulting from the vaccine.

amother

Navy

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:55 pm

Most of the people who don’t want to vaccinate share their views on vaccines only in order to defend themselves and fight for their own (and others) medical freedom. That needs to be done by educating others. They don’t care if you personally choose to vaccinate or not. They want vaccines to be a choice , not mandatory. That’s why they share their views and fight for change.

amother

Violet

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:56 pm

amother [ Turquoise ] wrote:

"Look at the chasidish and Amish communities for reference as to how herd immunity can be achieved without mass disease or death.
We do have access to drugs that help if someone gets sick but B'H people are not getting sick today thanks to herd immunity which was achieved without a vaccine.

And why wont you answer the question as to why vaccinated people wont remove their masks? If the vaccine works then why walk around with a mask when the cdc already said it can be removed?

Do you mean like the measles outbreaks from a few years ago that traveled thru the unvaxx chassidishe communities, or the earlier mumps outbreak?

Those small events actually showed how herd immunity cannot be obtained through other means (unless you mean sickness and deaths). Small pockets create large dents and can cause an outbreak. Now imagine if our entire community wouldn't be vaxxed - Ch"v what a disaster that would have been. Even with all the meds available, there would have been deaths and long term damage.

amother

Violet

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 5:58 pm

amother [ Turquoise ] wrote:

Look at the chasidish and Amish communities for reference as to how herd immunity can be achieved without mass disease or death.
We do have access to drugs that help if someone gets sick but B'H people are not getting sick today thanks to herd immunity which was achieved without a vaccine.

And why wont you answer the question as to why vaccinated people wont remove their masks? If the vaccine works then why walk around with a mask when the cdc already said it can be removed?

You don't see the hypocrisy in that statement? If we don't vaxx the younger generations, there won't herd immunity for them - and these sicknesses will resurface and cause many heartbreaks.

amother

Violet

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 6:00 pm

amother [ Navy ] wrote:

It is a choice, it's not mandated.

Oh, you want the exemptions that the vaccinated people are getting? Ah, I get it, you want your cake and to eat it too.

small bean

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 6:00 pm

The question is relying on the fact that antivaxxers are piggybacking off those that are vaccinated.

Antivaxxers do not beleive they are piggybacking off you. They believe the vaccine is worse than the disease.

I'm not an antivaxxers but if you ever spoke to one or read what they write here, you'll understand that.

amother

Maroon

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 6:02 pm

amother [ Violet ] wrote:

You don't see the hypocrisy in that statement? If we don't vaxx the younger generations, there won't herd immunity for them - and these sicknesses will resurface and cause many heartbreaks.

If you are talking about the covid vaccine, the younger generation may be impacted negatively from the vaccine more than from covid itself.

amother

Violet

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 6:03 pm

small bean wrote:

And I'd really really really love to understand that science behind this reasoning - can you explain it to me? The vaccine injects a teeny tiny portion of the virus's DNA and the virus injects the ENTIRE DNA. So how does the science work to be able to say that a teeny portion of the same virus is more potent than the actual entire thing?

amother

Salmon

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 6:05 pm

amother [ Seagreen ] wrote:

Doesn't make sense. Pro-vaccine folks are advertising and giving big rewards for vaccinating.

amother

Violet

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 6:06 pm

amother [ Salmon ] wrote:

Doesn't make sense. Pro-vaccine folks are advertising and giving big rewards for vaccinating.

BECAUSE THEY NEED THE LARGE NUMBERS TO ACHIEVE HERD IMMUNITY.

I'm using all caps - because this has been repeated countless of times.

amother

Salmon

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 6:07 pm

amother [ Violet ] wrote:

It is a choice, it's not mandated.

Oh, you want the exemptions that the vaccinated people are getting? Ah, I get it, you want your cake and to eat it too.

Once colleges and some employers requires it, it's not a choice any more.

amother

Violet

Tue, Jun 01 2021, 6:09 pm

amother [ Salmon ] wrote:

Once colleges and some employers requires it, it's not a choice any more.

Colleges will offer remote options for those who don't/can't vaccinate. Employers will mostly do the same.