Anti-vaxxers stop it. If you don’t want it don’t take it.

Ema of 5

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:04 pm

amother [ Holly ] wrote:

That isn't true. If you've had the vaccine, you're unlikely to catch Covid at all.

Then why are those who already had it, or who have natural antibodies, being encouraged to take it as well?

amother

Pansy

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:07 pm

Ema of 4 wrote:

Then why are those who already had it, or who have natural antibodies, being encouraged to take it as well?

It's all based on the "we don't have proof." We don't have proof that natural antibodies confer immunity. We also don't have proof otherwise, and we have plenty of reason to believe so, but we don't need to believe our assumptions, we only have to operate based on them.

amother

cornflower

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:08 pm

Ema of 4 wrote:

Then why are those who already had it, or who have natural antibodies, being encouraged to take it as well?

1. Natural immunity fades over time
2. We are seeing that those who had covid are still at risk for catching other strains, while those who had the vaccine are protected against several strains (against some strains fully and against others partially)
3. Many people think they had it but did not actually have it
4. Some antibody tests turn out positive with very low levels but that level is not enough to offer protection.

(This is really derailing the thread, but you asked a direct question so I provided a direct answer. If this discussion is going to continue we should open a new thread.)

Ema of 5

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:08 pm

amother [ Pansy ] wrote:

I thought it was all based on science?

small bean

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:11 pm

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

New study from cleveland clinic. Natural immunity as effective or more effective as covid shot.

The science today says if you had covid there is no reason to vaccinate.

amother

Pansy

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:12 pm

Ema of 4 wrote:

I thought it was all based on science?

It is based on science. But in this case, it's based on what science doesn't say rather than what science does say. Science doesn't (yet) say that there is natural immunity. The problem is that things can still be true even when not proven. For example, there is no scientific study that proves I had a milchig lunch today. If I decide not to believe anything that isn't based on science, I can't have a milchig dinner if I eat within six hours, because I don't know for a fact that I didn't have fleishig. Science! Not what science is meant to be used for, but I'm not lying when I say it's based on science.

Ema of 5

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:12 pm

amother [ Pansy ] wrote:

“We don’t have proof” is not science.

small bean

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:13 pm

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

Anyone being harassed can ignore it, unless it gets physical. So?

People forwarding you emails is harrassment?

Is all thr pro vaccine propaganda that I get daily harrassment?

Really sad for people who live their life feeing harrassed.

amother

Peony

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:15 pm

amother [ Holly ] wrote:

That isn't true. If you've had the vaccine, you're unlikely to catch Covid at all.

Tell that to my friend (young and healthy) who took both vaccines and a few months later got COVID and is still unconscious in the icu!

amother

cornflower

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:15 pm

small bean wrote:

New study from cleveland clinic. Natural immunity as effective or more effective as covid shot.

The science today says if you had covid there is no reason to vaccinate.

The science today is mixed. There are studies this way and studies that way.

amother

Pansy

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:15 pm

Ema of 4 wrote:

“We don’t have proof” is not science.

It's based on science, though. The truth is that applied science and pure science are very different things, and people who imply that their applied science is pure science are lying.

amother

cornflower

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:16 pm

small bean wrote:

People forwarding you emails is harrassment?

Is all thr pro vaccine propaganda that I get daily harrassment?

Really sad for people who live their life feeing harrassed.

Yes, if it gets to be too many emails, too often, when you didn't ask for them.

I don't know what you're getting so I can't tell you if it crosses the line.

What OP described definitely sits quite comfortably on the other side of the line, in the realm of "harassment."

amother

cornflower

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:17 pm

amother [ Pansy ] wrote:

It's based on science, though. The truth is that applied science and pure science are very different things, and people who imply that their applied science is pure science are lying.

The truth is that most people can't understand nuance or an unfolding of various consequences, and the vast majority of the adult world are not formal operational thinkers: they are concrete operational, and some of them have learned to fake being formal operational. Very few have actually achieved it.

And so we have these stupid arguments.

fleetwood

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:20 pm

small bean wrote:

New study from cleveland clinic. Natural immunity as effective or more effective as covid shot.

The science today says if you had covid there is no reason to vaccinate.

Nope. Not everyone who had covid has antibodies. Those who do have may lose them..

fleetwood

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:21 pm

small bean wrote:

People forwarding you emails is harrassment?

Is all thr pro vaccine propaganda that I get daily harrassment?

Really sad for people who live their life feeing harrassed.

Yup. The constant threads opened up here about the evils of the vaccine need to stop already.

small bean

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:22 pm

fleetwood wrote:

Nope. Not everyone who had covid has antibodies. Those who do have may lose them..

Argue with Cleveland clinic.

Not only that .07% of participants had vaccine and got covid. 0 of those that had confirmed covid.

small bean

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:23 pm

fleetwood wrote:

Yup. The constant threads opened up here about the evils of the vaccine need to stop already.

What about constant threads the other way?

I think the conversation is pointless because no one is going to or not going to vaccinate based on the convi

amother

cornflower

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:25 pm

small bean wrote:

What about constant threads the other way?

I think the conversation is pointless because no one is going to or not going to vaccinate based on the convi

Exactly the point. So can the threads stop? It's enough already. No one will change their mind, so stop trying to save the world.

small bean

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:26 pm

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

Every time I open my phone, I get a popup asking me if I want help getting the vaccine. I get popups if I want to know if I was exposed to covid. I get multiple emails a day from my state asking me to vaccinate or just vaccine info. I don't feel harassed. I ignore because that's what mature people do.

I don't feel harassed by emails and I get hundreds every week.

small bean

Wed, Jun 09 2021, 4:28 pm

amother [ cornflower ] wrote:

Exactly the point. So can the threads stop? It's enough already. No one will change their mind, so stop trying to save the world.

Who's trying to save the world?

Maybe people are bored and find this interesting. No one is harassing you here or forcing you to participate.