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People who are healthy and fit, well into their 80s, is it more Mazel or other factors?
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| No, it's Mazel. Everyone's lifespan is decided above. |
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I think its lifestyle, even people with different chronic illnesses in there family, could choose to make the lifestyle changes they need in order to live a healthy, happy and productive life even when they are in their 80's. Of course having a healthy lifestyle does not necessarily promise a long and healthy life, but it definitely increases the chances!
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Fri, Mar 24 2023, 1:08 pm
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I agree mostly genetics and what's destined from above. We obviously have to do our histadlus and live healthily but we are not in complete control. How often do you hear of people who ate and exercised and did all rhe right things but they get ill amd similarly people who did all the wrong things and lived a long life. (My father o'h smoked a lot every day of his life from about 20 and lived a healthy life till his late 80s). Also people who miraculously survive terrible disasters because it wasn't their time to go. So we have to do our best in a balanced way but we shouldn't become obsessed because ultimately its just not in our control.
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Fri, Mar 24 2023, 1:20 pm
Mostly genetics.
If your parents lived long and were healthy, good chance for you.
In addition to healthy diet (low sugar, carbs.
Seed oil) and lots of veggies
Being a HAPPY person is very important to
Good health and long life.
Chofetz Chaim says avoiding Lishon Horah,
Which includes avoiding jealousy.
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Fri, Mar 24 2023, 1:25 pm
It's mostly genetics. My grandfather ah lived to 84 and he took terrible care of himself. My mom spent half her life thinking her dad was going to drop dead any minute, but it didn't happen. He had health problems from his poor diet and sedentary lifestyle, but nothing catastrophic ever happened, he just lived with it and just began a natural decline in his 80s and eventually his life ended. He never changed his habits, enjoyed his double bacon cheeseburgers (he wasn't frum) right up until the end. Maybe he would have lived longer if he'd taken better care of himself, but maybe not. And if he did, realistically, how many years would it have bought him? Who knows. Honestly, anyone over 80 is on borrowed time.
My father's parents took decent care of themselves though definitely not perfectly, they certainly enjoyed life and they weren't super thin, but weren't large either. Grandfather died from cancer in his early 70s, grandmother passed from natural old age at 92. There's really no knowing, ultimately, Hashem is in charge.
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Fri, Mar 24 2023, 1:29 pm
| amother Denim wrote: | It's mostly genetics. My grandfather ah lived to 84 and he took terrible care of himself. My mom spent half her life thinking her dad was going to drop dead any minute, but it didn't happen. He had health problems from his poor diet and sedentary lifestyle, but nothing catastrophic ever happened, he just lived with it and just began a natural decline in his 80s and eventually his life ended. He never changed his habits, enjoyed his double bacon cheeseburgers (he wasn't frum) right up until the end. Maybe he would have lived longer if he'd taken better care of himself, but maybe not. And if he did, realistically, how many years would it have bought him? Who knows. Honestly, anyone over 80 is on borrowed time.
My father's parents took decent care of themselves though definitely not perfectly, they certainly enjoyed life and they weren't super thin, but weren't large either. Grandfather died from cancer in his early 70s, grandmother passed from natural old age at 92. There's really no knowing, ultimately, Hashem is in charge. |
Curious how old you are that you say anyone over 80 is on borrowed time. I have a bunch of grandparents that lived healthy and well into their 90’s
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Fri, Mar 24 2023, 1:44 pm
| amother Denim wrote: | | Average life expectancy in most first world countries is usually somewhere in the early 80s, and that needle hasn't moved in decades. Not that many people in the world make it to over 90. If you have multiple family members who did, that just goes to show there's a genetic component. I also have a number of relatives who lived into their 90s, but not that many. Most people I know don't have tons of relatives living well into their 90s, they have a few, but 80s being much more common. And once you've made it to your 80s, it's unlikely anything you do or don't do is going to make a difference. |
Not genetic because it’s 4 grandparents from different sides not related.
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Fri, Mar 24 2023, 1:47 pm
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first of all is a healthy lifestyle, and then you need mazel
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Fri, Mar 24 2023, 2:16 pm
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Medical researchers have been studying this for decades and they still don't have an answer more exact than "it's a combination of factors including genetics, nutrition, lifestyle, environment, mental attitude and dumb luck." Scientists are studying Holocaust survivors, who tend to be exceptionally long-lived. One hypothesis is that the severe hardships they faced may have turned on survival/longevity genes that would otherwise have remained dormant.
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Fri, Mar 24 2023, 2:44 pm
| amother Brickred wrote: | | My grandmother lived to the age of 100. She lived on bread and butter. Loved carbs, didnt eat much vegetables. She was independent and healthy until the end. |
Halevai by all of us!
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