Trump is a sick egotistical and dangerous maniac!

Laiya

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:07 am

marina wrote:

Do you understand that just like Israel is a country created for Jews, so too America is a country created for immigrants?

So what you wrote makes as much sense as if I said : OMG what if all the Jews in the world decide to come to Israel and overcrowd it and rob it and steal what they need!

Israel is in fact facing a severe problem with Eritrean and other African refugees flooding certain cities, transforming neighborhoods into slums, increasing violent crime rates, having gang wars and straining the social system.

Europe is feeling the consequences of loose immigration policies from the influx of Muslims. France banned the full-face veil out of fear of not being able to detect terrorists. GB is considering leaving the EU, in large part so as not to be bound by the immigration laws.

gold21

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:10 am

MiracleMama wrote:

I don't care for Trump and I have no plans to vote for Trump but the comparisons to Hitler are unfounded and offensive. I watched the clip in the OP. I can't begin to imagine how anyone can draw the comparison.

I agree with regard to the Hitler comparisons. Theyre just wrong. Why do people feel it is okay to reference Hitler and the Nazis every time a person or group of people acts inappropriately? People, on this forum particularly (seeing as its a Jewish forum), are sensitive about those kinds of references. Why not simply say "The man is a bigot and racist" without "He is just like Hitler".

No, he is no just like Hitler.

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gold21

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:19 am

Sadie wrote:

I think that the conservative sense of persecution is unwarranted. The nastiest rhetoric is coming from the conservative side of the aisle. The terrorist that shot up a planned parenthood (and killed a young mother, and army veteran, and a police officer) quoted verbatim the republican candidates' talking points on PP. And none of them of course took any responsibility for the real life results of their lies. And look at the sick Birther movement, there hasn't been anything quite like that from our side.

I'm not sure if Trump ever discussed Hillary Clinton's period, but he did call her disgusting for having to take a bathroom break at a debate, and has talked about, on the Howard Stern show, how his wife makes sure he is never aware of her needing to poop. Also he and Rubio are engaged in a d*ck measuring contest. And that's just trump, and just a few very recent examples out of thousands. You can't exaggerate when it comes to trump. He mocked the spastic hand movements of a disabled reporter! C'mon...

I don't like Ted Cruz, I don't like Stacey Dash, and I don't like Caitlyn Jenner. I don't like their ideas and I don't think they're good people. I support their right to speak their minds freely but I don't think that means that we should refrain from criticizing them.

Im ok with some of what u wrote here, but:

1. I feel that your placing the blame of a mentally ill crazy person shooting up PP on the republicans is entirely misplaced- terrorism is terrorism and cant be explained away. A mentally ill person will find something to set him off, there is no ryhme or reason to such things,

2. You can disagree with Caitlyn, Stacy, and Ted as you see fit, but to take the leap to "theyre not good people"... well, why? Because their opinions differ than yours? Thats rather harsh.

(And Rubio did not engage in a measuring contest. Trump brought that up, Rubio only mentioned his hands.... I get frustrated when, in discussing various ideas, posters misrepresent the truth. Why the need? I read and watched the same things you did. I can see when you are misrepresenting what happened.)

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Heyaaa

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:20 am

Sadie wrote:

First of all she did say it's the biggest problem, that's why I bolded it.

Second of all it sounds like you're saying that liberals should hold back from criticizing conservative viewpoints in order to be nice. Why on earth should we do that? We should sit back and play nice while the other side gets a free pass to play nasty? When our candidates are called Kenyan Muslim atheist communists or ballbusting b*tches who have their periods we shouldn't call them on it? When republican candidates are publicly comparing p*nis size on a national debate stage you're actually saying that we have the rhetoric problem?

1) the Kenyan is a Kenyan. His dad is Muslim which makes him Muslim. The preacher from his church has very radical Islamic views.
2) not sure who the atheist or the communist is.
3) from what I remember this past summer, trump said "blood was spewing out of her whatever, nose" and the media decided that he had meant to say that she was on her period. Which didn't make sense in context because he had been trying to say that she was on fire targeting him so it would've made sense in context that blood was spewing out of her nose but not that she was hormonal.
4) that's a gross exaggeration to say that they were comparing sizes of their private parts.

Sadie

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:29 am

Heyaaa wrote:

The Kenyan Muslim and the atheist communist are both the same person.
Your post makes my point for me that the rhetoric from the conservative side is more negative and attacking than the rhetoric from the centrist/liberal side.
If you watch the video it's pretty clear what the blood comment was about. Watch some of trump's old Howard stern show videos to get a sense of his level of discourse.
And yes they are talking about private parts. What do you think "if my hands are small something else must be small" means?

wondergirl

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:32 am

marina wrote:

1. You seem to be very hung up on following the laws. We all recognize that following the law is essential to maintaining a civilized society. Yet, "following the law" is not the end all and be all. Sometimes the more moral act is to break the law. For example, in Germany, there were many laws discriminating against Jews and breaking those laws was more moral than following them. That's an extreme example, but on a smaller scale, we see this all the time. Just because someone is "breaking the law" doesn't make them equal to a murderer or rapist. There are different laws, some more valid and others less valid.

2. If an illegal alien uses a false SS number, taxes are taken every paycheck. And at least half of all illegals pay taxes using an individual taxpayer ID number that is like a SS. Here's an example http://www.illinoislegalaid.or.....entid=8418

First, I never said that illegal aliens are murderers or rapists or equal to that. I did ask why they are above the law, why it's okay for them to break the law and not get punished for it like American citizens who get punished in a variety of ways depending on the law they break (read my entire comment about it upthread).

But you say it is sometimes moral to break the law.

Okay, let's look at it from that perspective:

Scenario 1-

Judge, I am sorry I did not have the money to pay the rent, my husband is in jail and I am struggling financially even though I am working but it is not enough. Please, judge. I beg you do not evict me. It is cold outside and I have nowhere to go with the kids. They will freeze to death. Please help. I know I promised to pay the rent last time but I was not able to get it in time. I am an American citizen, I pay taxes and everything, I am not a rapist or a murderer. Please be moral and don't evict me.

Judge-Sorry, I have to follow the law. You did not pay rent, you are evicted.

Scenario 2-

I am starving and don't have money to buy food. The grocery store at the corner has food. I know it is wrong to steal but the laws are meant to be broken especially for moral reasons. And surely the store owner won't mind if I help myself to food without paying for it. I mean, he has plenty of other food that his customers can pay for so there is no reason for me to follow the law. Besides, I am not a rapist or murderer so it's moral for me to steal food if I am hungry.

Steals food, gets arrested. Has to do community service.

Scenario 3-

Please officer, I beg you. Do not give me a parking ticket. I had nowhere else to park. And rules are meant to be broken, Marina said so and I did it for a moral reason since I was visiting my sick grandma. I am not a rapist or a murderer please don't punish me for breaking the law.

Cop-Sorry, I gotta do my job. You broke the law, you get a ticket for it.

Marina, you also say that illegal aliens use fake Social Security numbers to work on the books and pay taxes. How do they find these illegal SS#'s? And how does it not fall under identity fraud, yet another criminal offense? If an American citizen would commit identity fraud, then would they not be punished for it? American citizens are punished for breaking the law, why are illegal aliens not being punished for breaking the law (first immigration law, then tax laws, then possibly identity fraud, etc)?

Are illegal aliens above the law?

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Amarante

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:32 am

Heyaaa wrote:

Either you are very naive or don't let facts interfere with your opinions.

Trump did insinuate that Megyn was picking on him because she had her period. His exact quote is

"You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes," Trump told CNN's Don Lemon on Friday night. "Blood coming out of her wherever."

He also insulted Clinton by noting that she took a long time to urinate m

The exchange on short fingers at the debate is generally known to reference aiver size. Trump, even followed it up with a more specific reference to the size of his aiver.

I don't see why someone raised in America by a white Christian family is smeared with innuendos about his nationality and religion. Could we all agree to stop with the lunacy that Obama is somehow less of an American than any other President. If you don't like specific policies fine but let's stop with smear campaigns having nothing to,do with important issues separating candidates.

PinkFridge

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:34 am

Sadie wrote:

I think Rubio just wanted to psyche Trump out. Not a good move, but it's not something he's continuing AFAIK.

Sadie

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:37 am

gold21 wrote:

The terrorist is to blame for what he did but we're talking about speech here. The republican candidates were using lies as talking points those lies inspired someone to commit a crime. That's a form of incitement. If a politician repeating blood libels inspires someone to murder a Jew, the murder and the speaker of blood libel both carry a responsibility for it, albeit in different ways.

I don't think that everyone whose opinion differs from me is a bad person. You picked three famous and controversial people for your example. I think that Ted Cruz is legitimately terrifying, Caitlyn Jenner is just in a cloud of wealth and privilege that makes it hard for her to understand people outside of that world (although you can see her trying somewhat on her show). I'm more pareve on Stacey Dash, but I don't think she needs to be protected from backlash resulting from speaking her opinions.

Rubio's quote was "you know what they say about men with small hands? You can't trust them." That was a p*nis joke. You're a better person than I am if you didn't get that.

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gold21

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:38 am

Amarante wrote:

Ok, so I personally did not see what Trump said ("blood coming out of her wherever") as a reference to her menstrual cycle. Honestly, it didnt cross my mind when I watched him say that. The media ran with "he discussed megyn's menstrual cycle", but truthfully theres no proof that he did. Trump has said plenty of rude and offensive things over the course of his campaign, so it surprises me that this specific comment is what continues to be referenced, as it is not clear what he meant- and there are many inappropriate comments where his intentions were a whole lot clearer that one could choose to reference instead.

gold21

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 8:40 am

Sadie wrote:

I don't think that everyone whose opinion differs from me is a bad person. You picked three famous and controversial people for your example. I think that Ted Cruz is legitimately terrifying, Caitlyn Jenner is just in a cloud of wealth and privilege that makes it hard for her to understand people outside of that world (although you can see her trying somewhat on her show). I'm more pareve on Stacey Dash, but I don't think she needs to be protected from backlash resulting from speaking her opinions.

Rubio's quote was "you know what they say about men with small hands? You can't trust them." That was a p*nis joke. You're a better person than I am if you didn't get that.

I accept the compliment Wink

leah233

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 10:47 am

Much as I hate Trump I understand his appeal. He never really articulates his plans of what he will do or how he will accomplish the few ideas he did mention. (I'm sure he himself doesn't believe Mexico will agree to pay for a wall across the US border)But he does manage to tap into the unhappiness people feel with the American government. While he may be considered a racist by some, those who the government has passed laws requiring discrimination against them(e.g. white males) have an easy time identifying with him. While he may be crude those who aren't allowed free speech (e.g. people who want their children to go to therapy for being gay)would prefer him be crude while they retain their right of free speech. While he may be considered those dangerous those who feel that PC doesn't allow danger to be dealt with feel he will deal with it.

He never explicitly claims he will deal with any of those issues but somehow he manages to cause people to perceive him as a person who will back them back to a time when they these issues didn't exist. That is the appeal of his "Make America Great Again"

Ironically both Trump and Sanders are really appealing to the same crowd: Those who feel they cannot make it in America anymore. Sanders proposes socialism and Trump proposes the vague "Make America Great Again"(presumably then you will be able to make it again). But in essence they are both appealing to the same crowd: People who feel that you cannot make it anymore under the current system. And that things are only deteriorating.

wondergirl

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 10:50 am

Sadie wrote:

If you don't pay they torture, rape, and murder your family members.

So how does it work? A person makes a deal with a smuggler to pay $50,000 to be smuggled into America illegally. They agree to an installment payment plan and the person is smuggled in successfully. Now the person does not have the money to pay the smuggler so the smuggler goes to the person's family and tortures, rapes and/or murders them.
Then the American media turns around and uses that as a way to evoke sympathy from American citizens--look how dangerous it is to live in that country, look at how high the crime rate is. But the media neglects to tell the American public the real reason why it happened, because someone decided to break the American laws in the first place.

I can't believe that Americans actually believe that crime is rampant in those countries. Maybe if the illegal aliens wouldn't be breaking American laws or promise money to smugglers when they have no way to pay it, then "crime" wouldn't be so high.

But how can anyone call these illegal aliens moral human beings when they commit all these crimes (breaking immigration laws, identity theft, tax fraud, etc)? And instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they present themselves as the victims which is absolutely despicable and atrocious.

It's just shocking that people would defend and even justify all this criminal behavior.

http://cis.org/IdentityTheft

PinkFridge

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 11:30 am

wondergirl wrote:

I can't believe that Americans actually believe that crime is rampant in those countries. Maybe if the illegal aliens wouldn't be breaking American laws or promise money to smugglers when they have no way to pay it, then "crime" wouldn't be so high.

But how can anyone call these illegal aliens moral human beings when they commit all these crimes (breaking immigration laws, identity theft, tax fraud, etc)? And instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they present themselves as the victims which is absolutely despicable and atrocious.

It's just shocking that people would defend and even justify all this criminal behavior.

http://cis.org/IdentityTheft

Big hugs. I can believe that all this is rampant. Even in the more livable Mexico City fear of kidnapping l"o is rampant. Now one can argue, like in the case of Syria, let's help them rebuild and reclaim their country instead of resettling them at no little risk in our country. But
even if we don't have answers, or are uneasy with some possible solutions, we should have compassion.

wondergirl

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 11:44 am

PinkFridge wrote:

It's great that you have so much compassion for everyone in other countries, but I hope you never become the victim of identify fraud like thousands of other American citizens because no one will have any compassion for you. Where is the compassion for the American citizens who are victims of identity fraud, loss of wages, etc but get no protection from their own government the very people they rely on to protect them from crime? http://cis.org/IdentityTheft

PinkFridge

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 2:12 pm

wondergirl wrote:

At least two people get/like this so clearly, I'm missing something.
As I said, there may not be good answers. I feel that we must do some serious vetting re Syria: I have deep reservations about Syrian refugees.
And a cursory look into into the CIS leads me to believe that this is not some quack dangerous think tank, they should be taken seriously.
So I get why people are so worried about the immigration situation.

But I don't see how we can't feel compassion at the same time. I truly feel sad and am about to hug your post.

seeker

Mon, Mar 07 2016, 5:02 pm

I don't understand the references to free speech. Trump believes in free speech for exactly one person: himself. Any time someone says anything to disagree with him, he shouts them down, throws insults, and otherwise makes you pretty much not want to bother disagreeing with him again.

I mentioned before that I see some similarity to Obama, and this is another one. Obama seemed to be preventing the press from saying anything bad about him, and Trump uses intimidation to shut down opposition. Of course our speech is still technically free but really I wouldn't call Trump an advocate of free anything. His inability to hear other points of view should disqualify him from leading a democracy.